Condoms and rate of failure

[SisterAct123]

Condoms are also 98% effective at preventing pregnancy. This means that 2 out of 100 women using male condoms as contraception will become pregnant in a year. In real world use, about 15 in every 100 women a year who use condoms as contraception become pregnant (85% effective).

This is from the nhs website. How can they be so ineffective?

If someone was to use a condom correctly would there be no chance of pregnancy?

No, the 'perfect use' still has a failure rate. So you can have used condoms correctly, assiduously and with no sign of anything amiss, and still a (very small) number will end up with a pregnancy.

The same is true for every other method (including sterilisation)

Only abstinence and hysterectomy appear to be 100%

Yes, I know how statistics work, studied statistics at degree level for science, social science and business applications. Also regularly used them in my career.

I was correcting your claim that a condom can’t fail on a one off use, when it can.

You don’t need visible signs of failure for a condom to have failed, because sperm are microscopic.

Putting a condom on before genital contact doesn’t equal perfect use either.

I did not comment on your opinion on the odds of who is the father.

What other thread? I don’t understand your hostility tbh.

Anyone else thinking of Ross from friends? 😬

I never said that a condom cannot fail from a one off use. Of course they do. Because some women get pregnant using them. I was just implying the odds of that happening are much lower than 2%.
I said that in this case, where one possible father definitely ejaculated inside the women who is now pregnant and one possible father used a condom according to the directions with no signs of any issues, that the odds are pretty overwhelmingly in favour of the non-condom wearer being the father, but that the only way to know for sure would be to do a DNA test.
The thread where you totally failed to understand stats was about breastfeeding where for some reason you seemed to believe the health benefits of breastfeeding are always irrelevant at an individual level despite the fact that stats like ´average number of hospital admissions for gastrointestinal illness’ are binary outcomes like getting pregnant/not get pregnant and so for some individual babies breastfeeding must be the thing tipping the balance or those stats would not exist.

No it was a one night stand.

Doesn't it need for the sperm to get on the cervix?

@LittleLegoWoman
The thread where you totally failed to understand stats was about breastfeeding where for some reason you seemed to believe the health benefits of breastfeeding are always irrelevant at an individual level despite the fact that stats like ´average number of hospital admissions for gastrointestinal illness’ are binary outcomes like getting pregnant/not get pregnant and so for some individual babies breastfeeding must be the thing tipping the balance or those stats would not exist.

Could you please link me to this thread? I honestly have no memory of being on a thread about breastfeeding & health benefits. I tend to steer clear of such debates. I think you may have me confused with someone else?

I've had condoms come off completely and had to fish them out. I've had them split too. I got pregnant as a result of a condom combined with a tracker app. So never had sex in my calculated fertile window and when I did it was with a condom. Nothings 100 percent and someone has to be the statistic. Its cool, all turned out for the best. But 3 forms of protection, not 2 I reckon.

@LittleLegoWoman

Regardless of what the other thread was about, it's totally unfair to come on a new thread and start detailing it like this, as well as berating a poster in the way you did. If you've got @Onnabugeisha mixed up with someone, I hope you'll acknowledge this.

Three forms of protection? The app isn't protection?

I imagine it includes people who don't use them or who use them incorrectly. Out of date condoms probably have a high failure rate too.

Yes they are ineffective

The app isn't protection?

Of course it is - it's a form of contraception (albeit not very reliable) based on when you are fertile in your cycle.

(The favoured & permitted form of family planning in the Catholic Church & the cause of many of the larger families of my youth! I found a great booklet about it in my parents' house - clearly an app can work out as more reliable but this booklet had all sorts of guidelines & calculations that could be made).

Implant is pretty close, as long as it's in the skin properly.

When she had sex during her cycle will factor into it as well.

I was shocked when told by a gynae consultant that female tube tying is less effective than the pill!

OP - Given that your friend is apparently a very anxious person and doesn't believe in abortion, WTAF was she thinking?

Also, I'm thinking the likelihood of getting pregnant over a course of a year when using a condom would be very dependent on sexual frequency. Someone having sex twice a day, every day (exhausting!) with a condom would be massively more likely to get pregnant than someone doing it once a month.

Haha! Me! Came here to see if anyone else was 🤣🙈

Are you the "friend"?...

I was thinking this - especially with two blokes in close succession 😬

I think it’s incorrect use, i.e. wrong size? Bought in dodgy place? We’ve been using condoms for 13 years and not a single accident, planned pregnancy now. I know a couple who had broken condom 3 times. They must be doing something wrong.

Yes, contrary to our natural intuition, standard female sterilisation isn't really good enough if pregnancy would be an absolute disaster (eg if pregnancy would be dangerous and abortion is illegal).

@QuietlyConfident I decided against it snd I'm carrying on will the pill

How is it protection?

It seems to be guess work. Hormonal contraction is obvious, you trick you body into thinking it's pregnant/stop ovulation. Barrier method you stop the seamen.

So what protection does the app offer?