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Who was more in the wrong at work today

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Safarigiraffe · 13/02/2023 19:29

Work in a daycare nursery in Kitchen however today at work me/chef did not provide a no dairy child with a no dairy meal as we didn’t notice him on dietary (our mistake there & we admitted that as well) and at the handover no mention from the room members was made & dietary sheet was signed to say all was good and well (all children have tent cards with their dietary requirements on them). They gave the no dairy child a dairy meal and the child reacted with a rash. Parents of child informed they not too happy but said they will keep a look out for him however if parents complain this could go into an investigation with not only us but room members suspended. So who is more at fault - kitchen, room or both the same.

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exhaustedsenta · 13/02/2023 22:22

Absolutely disgusting from both the kitchen staff & room staff.

When I worked in a nursery 10 years ago, we had photos up in the kitchen with the child's room, name, allergy & days they attended. It would also be written on the numbers sheet, for example 8 normal 1 dairy free.

Unfortunately we had staff who didn't believe dairy was an allergy, they decided it was an 'intolerance' & would feed a child dairy containing foods regardless.

I would loose my shit on a regular basis with them, but they never listened to me & the manager was shit.

CJsGoldfish · 13/02/2023 22:23

I cannot believe you are STILL minimising your actions and trying to ensure room staff are blamed. They are receiving from you what should be a dairy free meal so they do NOT know it has dairy. I imagine if if were dairy free and they questioned you, you'd be on here whining about that.
I'd want you sacked. Not only for your mistake, but for your attitude.

HaggisBurger · 13/02/2023 22:26

You sound massively ill educated about the seriousness of allergies. Do better.

LuluBlakey1 · 13/02/2023 22:27

All of you. It isn't the responsibility of 1 person- you all play a part in passing on info, checking info and checking food given to child matches info.

Jourdain11 · 13/02/2023 22:27

Hazelnup · 13/02/2023 22:03

That nursery should be shut down. This was a really really serious incident. I don’t give a shit who was in the kitchen and who was handing out the food, it should have been impossible that this happen.

You do know a child with a dairy allergy died at school when a bully hid cheese in his food?

If this child had died you’d all potentially be liable for negligent manslaughter. Lickily it seems that in this particular case the allergy was mild.

If you don’t realise how serious this was, please consider a job change.

My DH was on his final training placement in that school at the time and it's not actually what happened!

Fullofpudding · 13/02/2023 22:28

Complete shit show of a nursery.

Hopefully they put in a complaint to Ofsted and a full investigation is started.

The child could have been killed.

Sounds like you have no procedures in place for allergies.

Relaxingtime · 13/02/2023 22:29

I would be hoping for an urgent staff meeting and reviewing how this happened asap.
Blame game No way!

BankOfDave · 13/02/2023 22:31

I have GF and lactofree in my house. There is no way I can visually tell if rice pudding has been made with lactofree milk or coconut milk or something else. I also can’t visually tell between gluten free pasta or not sometimes - there are tons of foods like this so the process has to be more than the staff room eye balling the food and telling if it did/n’t have diary in it.

Boomboom22 · 13/02/2023 22:31

Jourdain11 · 13/02/2023 22:27

My DH was on his final training placement in that school at the time and it's not actually what happened!

I thought food including cheese was being thrown around not anything deliberate, he had a very severe dairy allergy and teenage boys are idiots and unhygienic with food?

DottyLittleRainbow · 13/02/2023 22:33

All of you are to blame. And this thread is in really poor taste.

Another parent of a child with allergies. This sort of thing is my worst nightmare to be honest.

frazzledbutcalm · 13/02/2023 22:33

I’m very confused ….
kitchen staff knew they had to prepare a dairy free meal
room staff knew a child must have a dairy free meal
room staff knowingly gave said child a dairy meal …
WOW

given that the child reacted immediately, the allergy must be quite severe - you’re all very lucky you didn’t kill the child!

In this day and age, this scenario is truly shocking!

Emmamoo89 · 13/02/2023 22:34

All of you

BadNomad · 13/02/2023 22:34

It sounds like multiple failures to me.

From what I'm understanding, kitchen staff didn't provide the correct meal and room staff knew there wasn't a non-dairy meal?

I'm looking at this from a nursing/hospital-setting point of view. Pharmacy provide the medication. Nurses give it. If pharmacy dispenses the wrong medication, the nurses, if they follow the correct procedures, will realise this and not administer the wrong medication.

So, in your case, kitchen staff failed to provide the correct meal, but room staff were at fault for not checking they were giving the right meal to the right child. It is the room staff's actions that caused harm to the child.

drunkornot · 13/02/2023 22:34

You’re making it seem like the kitchen staff were NOT aware of the allergy. But you clearly state you forgot about the allergy and only remembered after the child became ill. therefore it’s your fault for forgetting. your “team” were made aware of the allergy.

Tanith · 13/02/2023 22:35

The nursery manager should be making a Serious Incident report to Ofsted regardless of whether the parents report it or not.

Rycbar · 13/02/2023 22:36

Everyone involved is at fault. The nursery should have procedures and checks jn place the ensure this doesn’t happen. Thank your lucky stars it was just a rash - I witnessed a child go into anaphylactic shock because the chef had put normal cheese on their meal.

elm26 · 13/02/2023 22:39

I would be raging if this was my child, a huge complaint would be going in.

You could have killed this child yet are more worried about who is to blame. You're all to blame.

You sound like you don't really care as long as you don't get into trouble which is disgusting. I wouldn't want my child/children anywhere near the nursery.

Mrsmch123 · 13/02/2023 22:40

I think yous are both to blame. Surely you know who's dairy/gluten free ect in the nursery. So why didn't you realise that you hadn't made a meal for that kid. And they shouldn't have served it. For context I work in a nursing home and know all the diet and fluid levels for all my patients. If the kitchen forgot to send a meal I wouldn't just serve them what I had in front of me. I would request the correct texture.

Reinventinganna · 13/02/2023 22:42

I hope that you are all put on capabilities and given more training around allergies.
I have two dc with allergies and would want you all sacked.

TetherEndOfMy · 13/02/2023 22:47

My son has severe allergies and has an epi pen. I would be after all of you if this happened.

CherLloydbyCherLloyd · 13/02/2023 22:47

Cocobutt · 13/02/2023 22:00

The kitchen staff are way more to blame/in the wrong.

It is the job of the kitchen to check and prepare meals in line with dietary requirements.
If this was a nut allergy then it could have been serious.

However, the room staff should have made the parents aware and not signed that he’d had a diary free meal.

Dairy allergies can be just as deadly as nut allergies. People need to stop saying things like this.

FeinCuroxiVooz · 13/02/2023 22:48

working out who to blame is a sure sign of a culture which doesn't know how to learn from mistakes. everyone is responsible, everyone should have done their jobs better. even the manager who was in their office the whole time shares the responsibility, as their messages and leadership set expectations for everyone else. everyone needs to identify all the steps they could have taken to pick up on or prevent the error, and make sure they do that every day from now on, not just for this kid but for all kids with allergies or dietary requirements.

CherLloydbyCherLloyd · 13/02/2023 22:50

Boomboom22 · 13/02/2023 22:15

Yes to a pp, any allergy can be fatal and it can change any time not just nuts. You are correct. My child needs gf as celiac and eating traces messes his stomach and ability to get nutrients out of food up for weeks.

My daughter is the same. Luckily she’s non IGE so she’s never taken an anaphylactic reaction to dairy, but we can always tell when she’s been contaminated because she will be in agony for about a week, swollen tummy, flitting between constipation and diarrhoea.

WhatWhereWhenHowWhy · 13/02/2023 22:56

I have a child with so many allergies and I know it's a pain (they don't allow packed lunches either). On one occasion at nursery she was given one of the food items and had vomiting as a result. I'm so bloody lucky she doesn't have anaphylaxis - I suspect I wouldn't go to work if she did as I'd need to be there all of the time until she became capable of looking out for herself a bit.

They need to be more mindful and there needs to be a strict plan in place - out of order.

NCcantthinkofanewone · 13/02/2023 22:56

frazzledbutcalm · 13/02/2023 22:33

I’m very confused ….
kitchen staff knew they had to prepare a dairy free meal
room staff knew a child must have a dairy free meal
room staff knowingly gave said child a dairy meal …
WOW

given that the child reacted immediately, the allergy must be quite severe - you’re all very lucky you didn’t kill the child!

In this day and age, this scenario is truly shocking!

I know I can't fathom where it's gone wrong