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To think “Don’t cook with wine you wouldn’t drink” is bollocks?

64 replies

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 10/02/2023 09:24

I’ve always thought this, but it came into my head again the other day because I tried a new wine on a whim - and wished I hadn’t 🤢 It was too sweet and had an aftertaste. I thought about pouring it down the sink, but I needed some cooking plonk,
so I just threw a bit into my sauce and hoped for the best. It was fine. I ended up using the rest of it across a couple of different recipes.

Whilst I wouldn’t deliberately buy bad wine, I think there’s quite an important difference between a wine where you’d sit and actively enjoy and savour a glass, and one that you wouldn’t keep for a special occasion, but would add a bit of extra flavour to a sauce (and would do for a quick glass while you were cooking). They’re very different experiences.

I was reading years ago about the launch of New Coke in the USA in the 80s (which, for the youngsters amongst you, failed spectacularly). One of the possible reasons for failure highlighted was that, although it had performed well in taste tests, the experience of drinking a whole bottle or can is very different from sipping a small amount from a sample cup. The theory was the sweeter taste of New Coke was pleasant in a small amount, but too much in a larger quantity.

It makes sense, doesn’t it? Lots of people enjoy drinking gin and tonic or vodka and coke, but far fewer drink neat alcohol. I like salt on my food, but I wouldn’t use a whole cellar-full on one meal. And I think it’s the same with wine - one that doesn’t stand up as a great wine in its own right can still enhance a dish when it’s one of several ingredients.

I also can’t help thinking that the “Don’t cook with wine you wouldn’t drink” and “Always use the best ingredients you can possibly afford” mantras are most commonly used by celebrity chefs who a) earn a lot more than the average person and b) probably have their own branded food and wine range, or a column in the Waitrose or M&S magazine where they’re expected to recommend the wines that make the most profit.

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Iwantmyoldnameback · 10/02/2023 09:27

I always use cheaper wine for cooking than I drink.
It wasn't Jammy Rammy Roo was it? One if the few wines I found undrinkable.

Skinnermarink · 10/02/2023 09:29

I always cook with wine I wouldn’t drink! If it was nice enough to drink I’d be bloody drinking it. Usually I just use a cheap table plonk from Lidl or the dregs of what I (very rarely) haven’t finished from a bottle and it’s gone past being drinkable.

TightFistedWozerk · 10/02/2023 09:29

To be fair, it was Keith Floyd who was famous for that saying and I think back then (80s) he didn't want us tipping retsina into our langoustine pot.

Bluebirdiee · 10/02/2023 09:29

YANBU. I buy the cheapest wine in the supermarket for cooking now as it tastes nice in food. I'm talking a £3 bottle of wine sometimes. Tastes pretty bad when you drink it out a glass but tastes great in food so 🤷

MaggieFS · 10/02/2023 09:30

No way would I put wine I would drink into cooking! I always buy something cheap, and if we have opened one we don't like, I keep it for cooking

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 10/02/2023 09:31

TightFistedWozerk · 10/02/2023 09:29

To be fair, it was Keith Floyd who was famous for that saying and I think back then (80s) he didn't want us tipping retsina into our langoustine pot.

I’m amazed there’s a wine Keith Floyd wouldn’t drink 😁

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AlisonDonut · 10/02/2023 09:31

How do you think we use red wine vinegar in cooking - it is often wine that we wouldn't drink [because it has turned to vinegar].

PousseyNotMoira · 10/02/2023 09:32

Totally agree. More importantly, though, I’m off to Google ‘new Coke’. Had no idea that ever happened. 😂

TightFistedWozerk · 10/02/2023 09:33

Hahaha OP Grin

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 10/02/2023 09:33

Iwantmyoldnameback · 10/02/2023 09:27

I always use cheaper wine for cooking than I drink.
It wasn't Jammy Rammy Roo was it? One if the few wines I found undrinkable.

It was a Riesling from Lidl. I usually find Riesling too sweet, but my dad had bought a nice one at Christmas, so I thought I’d give it a try. This one definitely fell into the stereotypical Riesling category 😁

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thehorsehasnowbolted · 10/02/2023 09:33

YANBU OP

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 10/02/2023 09:34

AlisonDonut · 10/02/2023 09:31

How do you think we use red wine vinegar in cooking - it is often wine that we wouldn't drink [because it has turned to vinegar].

Well, exactly.

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GoAgainstNicki · 10/02/2023 09:34

Iwantmyoldnameback · 10/02/2023 09:27

I always use cheaper wine for cooking than I drink.
It wasn't Jammy Rammy Roo was it? One if the few wines I found undrinkable.

*Jammy Red Roo

‘Jammy Rammy Roo’ has really made me laugh!😂

SquigglePigs · 10/02/2023 09:35

I wouldn't use really bad wine in cooking but my standards are a lot lower. As long as it hits "if served it by someone else it's drinkable" then I'm happy to cook with it.

GettingStuffed · 10/02/2023 09:35

We buy a cheap wine for cooking, it doesn't taste bad per se but tastes diluted or weak, obviously the taste concentrates as the dish reduces.

FKATondelayo · 10/02/2023 09:36

No a problem for me - I drink any wine.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 10/02/2023 09:36

PousseyNotMoira · 10/02/2023 09:32

Totally agree. More importantly, though, I’m off to Google ‘new Coke’. Had no idea that ever happened. 😂

It’s fascinating. Even though the product was a dismal failure, it actually did achieve Coke’s aim - to regain market share from Pepsi. When they reintroduced Coca-Cola Classic, people were so glad to have “proper” Coke back that sales soared.

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FallopianTubeTrain · 10/02/2023 09:36

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 10/02/2023 09:31

I’m amazed there’s a wine Keith Floyd wouldn’t drink 😁

😆 I love watching the old Keith Floyd shows. There's a particularly good one where he cooks something in a French woman's kitchen, she tastes it at the end and goes to town on how bad it is. You just wouldn't get that now. He took it in very good humour.

I love your vibe OP, these should be the things we consider on a Friday morning. Screw work and other boring head space fillers.

Also I agree, supermarket wine for cooking, wine shop wine for drinking.

RealBecca · 10/02/2023 09:37

I dont cook with wine but I agree with the principal. I wouldnt eat a lot of my ingredients raw (herbs, spices) or stock but mixed with other flavours they become something else, the cooking changes them.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 10/02/2023 09:38

FKATondelayo · 10/02/2023 09:36

No a problem for me - I drink any wine.

When I warned her off buying this wine, my mother’s exact words were “Bloody hell - it must have been bad if YOU couldn’t finish the bottle” 😆

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Neededanewuserhandle · 10/02/2023 09:39

I'll drink anything so it makes no odds to me.

LaviniasBigBloomers · 10/02/2023 09:40

Keith Floyd once told me I was an excellent bartender, which coming from him really meant something.

But I chuck any old wine in. We drink red and my DM drinks white so if there's a glass left over in the bottle I freeze it. And may well chuck it into a recipe that asks for red. That's how much of a cooking wine heathen I am.

TangledWebOfDeception · 10/02/2023 09:41

It depends on what you’re making, I think.

For a very delicate white wine sauce I can see it might make a difference.

For what’s essentially a peasant dish, something like coq au vin, I completely agree with Raymond Blanc - you do not need to cook with an excellent wine.

Tomatoblush · 10/02/2023 09:42

I’m with you OP.
I always thought it sounded so pompous saying use a ‘good’ wine in your sauces etc.
No bloody way would I use my best wine for that. It still tastes great using the cheapest shite you can get. You still get the lovely wine flavour amongst all the other ingredients.

BarrelOfOtters · 10/02/2023 09:45

Jam Shed red is my current undrinkable, so sweet, but fine to splash in a tomato sauce or whatever. I'd try and use something that was appropriate - so sweet, or dry or whatever...but I agree with a poster above - I think it was to stop people sloshing Blue Nun or Lambrusco into everything...

Also if wine is the point of the sauce I'd try and use something half way decent.

I use vinegar mostly now to get the same complexity.

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