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To think that this book should not be sold to young girls?

519 replies

WandaWomblesaurus · 09/02/2023 09:25

twitter.com/Waterstones/status/1623584986740953091?s=20&t=WU0D0fzc6ClGJC5R-gJnuw

Waterstones tweeted celebrating a book that is about transing girls. Here is one of the illustrations from the book.

AIBU to think that this is directly promoting self harm to young vulnerable girls?

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Johnnysgirl · 09/02/2023 13:09

JudgeRudy · 09/02/2023 13:08

No, it's not pro anything.

Yes, it is.

JudgeRudy · 09/02/2023 13:10

JudgeRudy · 09/02/2023 13:07

Your AIBU was "to think that this is directly promoting self harm to young vulnerable girls?" My response was that I haven't read the book but from that one pic you've shared (and a bit of googling) it doesn't seem to be 'directly promoting self harm' it seems to documenting someone's feelings in this case a trans teenager.
Please don't ask me if l understand censorship again or ask ridiculous questions like 'so you're happy for young girls to be encouraged to chop of their breasts?'

@Naunet

CTRALTDEL · 09/02/2023 13:13

I'm old enough to remember people talking about banning books that had gay characters in them. And that's when the gay characters portrayed usually has miserable lives and ended up dead. feels the same.

Happylittlechicken · 09/02/2023 13:15

It states puberty blockers are reversible. This is false.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 09/02/2023 13:16

Johnnysgirl · 09/02/2023 13:09

Yes, it is.

How, though?
From what's been posted and reading the author 's bio it seems like a trans man's experience of being trans?
Just like reading about someone being gay won't turn you gay, reading about someone being trans won't suddenly turn you trans either.
It's not promoting being gay or trans by raising awareness.

Glitterblue · 09/02/2023 13:17

FFS. We're just coming out the other side of a spell of DD thinking she wanted to be a boy. We took the approach of watching and waiting - she'd shown zero signs of it and even after she'd told us, still showed no signs. She started to wear baggy clothes in dark colours but that was it. She still liked her very feminine pj's, kept her hair as it was, kept her floral school bag. Now, 7 months on, she's as girly and feminine as she could possibly be. Everything is pink and floral. The baggy, dark coloured clothes are gone, and skirts and light pastels and floral, pretty clothes are back.

She loves to just browse in Waterstones on her own while we look at the books we like, and I don't want her to get back to thinking how she was a few months ago. We both thought she was struggling with her body changing and that was a huge part of the problem.

7Worfs · 09/02/2023 13:19

Happylittlechicken · 09/02/2023 13:15

It states puberty blockers are reversible. This is false.

Yes.
And it’s not far off from selling a children’s book promoting jumping off buildings as mid-fall you’ll magically turn into a bird.

JudgeRudy · 09/02/2023 13:19

I keep reading words like promoting and encouraging. How is this book promoting anything? Is the lllustrated Mum promoting mental illness? Is Matilda promoting child abuse?

ScrollingLeaves · 09/02/2023 13:20

JudgeRudy · Today 13:08

^ScrollingLeaves · Today 13:00
It is the same as Pro-Ana^.

Waterstones is promoting self-harm by selling it.

No, it's not pro anything.

I was responding to the ‘self-disgust’ diagram. Most teen age girls have similar feelings about their body and this would endorse and magnify them.

This would have a similar effect as those sites showing self-disgust about fat.

In fact, as the diagram talks about breasts as fatty lumps and I think something ‘fatty’ about the hips too, this book will probably appeal to anorexics and bulimics too I should think.

Of course that wouldn’t be surprising as there can be a crossover between a teenage girl taking on a trans identies and those mental/physiological disturbances related to food.

Sugarfree23 · 09/02/2023 13:22

WTAF?

Rewrite that book in your head 'fatty lumps need gone" and think of a young anorexic.
It's almost exactly the sake thought process is it not?

Sugarfree23 · 09/02/2023 13:23

Same thought process not sake!

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 09/02/2023 13:23

JudgeRudy · 09/02/2023 13:19

I keep reading words like promoting and encouraging. How is this book promoting anything? Is the lllustrated Mum promoting mental illness? Is Matilda promoting child abuse?

Exactly this, I asked how its promoting it too

Johnnysgirl · 09/02/2023 13:24

Sugarfree23 · 09/02/2023 13:22

WTAF?

Rewrite that book in your head 'fatty lumps need gone" and think of a young anorexic.
It's almost exactly the sake thought process is it not?

Yes, we can all see it. Except those that are determined not to.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/02/2023 13:24

Climbles · 09/02/2023 09:29

Jesus wept

Yep, my sentiments exactly. It’s grim.

Lavenderzen · 09/02/2023 13:27

How dreadful!

AmuseBish · 09/02/2023 13:28

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 09/02/2023 12:58

So it's a graphic novel about the adolescent experiences of its author, a trans man.

I think kids are able to understand that much.

Trans boys who read it will likely relate to some or much of it and feel less alone.

It's only "despicable" if you don't believe people can be trans.

Just to be clear - by "trans" you mean someone that wants to be the opposite sex?

Mumberjack · 09/02/2023 13:28

What’s the context? Is it the characters imagined flaws because of their gender issues, which then lead to a redemption and acceptance of their body later on?

i very much doubt it’s a ‘hate your bodies, girls!’ narrative. And let’s face it there are far more pernicious and insidious photos, stories, media images in everyday life which harm self esteem and body image

ThreeFeetTall · 09/02/2023 13:29

How does this tally with the 'sex positive' world that seems to be mentioned a lot. This person wants to cut off or alter the organs that will bring sexual pleasure. Surely not so sex positive?

ThreeFeetTall · 09/02/2023 13:30

Would be interested to know the ending of the book, not just a few pages. How does the story conclude?

Happylittlechicken · 09/02/2023 13:31

i very much doubt it’s a ‘hate your bodies, girls!’ narrative. And let’s face it there are far more pernicious and insidious photos, stories, media images in everyday life which harm self esteem and body image

so why promote more? Why not encourage girls to accept and love their bodies instead of believing their bodies are wrong?

AmuseBish · 09/02/2023 13:33

CTRALTDEL · 09/02/2023 13:13

I'm old enough to remember people talking about banning books that had gay characters in them. And that's when the gay characters portrayed usually has miserable lives and ended up dead. feels the same.

You mean people attracted to the same sex as themselves? That's akin to racism now, according to Stonewall.

People standing up for the right for gay/lesbian to mean same-sex attracted are being called anti-trans.

Lesbians are told they are bigoted for not accepting "dates" with male people who say they feel they are women. Feels like what you describe. Miserable and not accepted.

tortoiseshellpeppershoes · 09/02/2023 13:35

JudgeRudy · 09/02/2023 13:19

I keep reading words like promoting and encouraging. How is this book promoting anything? Is the lllustrated Mum promoting mental illness? Is Matilda promoting child abuse?

What about the little preachy disapproving bit about a clinic in the U.K. restricting puberty blockers which is clearly about Keira Bell? Is that just reflecting someone’s trans experience or is it shoehorning a bit of political comment in there? What do you think?

MavisMcMinty · 09/02/2023 13:35

Would be interested to know the ending of the book, not just a few pages. How does the story conclude?

There’s a link to his profile a couple of pages into this thread @ThreeFeetTall , which tells you how happy and right he feels now as an adult.

Jux · 09/02/2023 13:37

Omg, that is so horrible. No such thing as body positivity there, is there? Vile.

TollgateDebs · 09/02/2023 13:38

WTF!!! Just that, WTF! What is this all about really? Not a fan of conspiracy theories but seriously thinking something is going on right now in our so called free speech society! Can't we let young people grow, explore the world at their own pace and find out more about themselves before feeding them doctrines that often cause more harm than good.