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To wonder if Carers will ever be paid more?

111 replies

croppedhimout · 06/02/2023 21:15

I get less than £70 a week carers allowance for 19/20 hours worth of care every day. It's disgusting

AIBU to wonder if we will ever be paid more? I'd say no because...

  1. Nobody seems outraged at how little carers are paid, not in the media anyway, where it counts
  1. Carers for the most part can't strike.
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Busybody2022 · 06/02/2023 22:29

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OK, tax payer can pay to ensure my disabled DC have the care they require to enable me to work. They both require full time 1-1. Our LA pay £10 per hour for their carers, costs £14ish per hour.

£14 × 40 = £560

£560 for two is £1120 per week.

Still want to argue about my £70 a week?

EmmaEmerald · 06/02/2023 22:30

2023newyearnewname · 06/02/2023 21:49

No-one cares for the carers on carers allowance. No-one. It's been like this for many years.

Carers do it for love of their relative or friend. Some people dump in nursing homes and let others care and either individual's money or the state pick up. Carers save the state billions. The state doesn't care.

Interesting statements

I do hate it when people say "dump" about care homes.

anyway, on the basis that my mum would fund her own care, I'd argue that she should be allowed to pay me whatever she'd pay a private carer, because then it would become my money and there'd be no IHT to pay on that part at least.

another aspect - should I be allowed to claim CA if mum can pay for her care?

Reinventinganna · 06/02/2023 22:31

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Are you nuts?

PrincessArora · 06/02/2023 22:33

Sazzling, you have no fucking idea. Uneducated crass comment at best, offensive and discriminatory at worst.

stargirl1701 · 06/02/2023 22:35

They deserve to be the first to pilot a Universal Basic Income.

Labour should be spearheading this policy!

ForTheLoveOfSleep · 06/02/2023 22:36

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How about this then.. I'll go back to work full time. My child during the holidays will require SEN holiday club at the rate of £90 per which will be covered by the local authority. Specialized wrap around care again cover by the LA. Also carers for my daughter to come into pur home because I'll be working so will need my rest when I'm home. Which, by the way, would also be covered by the LA. All via direct payments and other "pots".

The amount of money that carers save the taxpayer is immense. For less than £70 per week.

ForTheLoveOfSleep · 06/02/2023 22:37

That was £90 per day for the holiday club.

Babyroobs · 06/02/2023 22:37

EmmaEmerald · 06/02/2023 22:30

Interesting statements

I do hate it when people say "dump" about care homes.

anyway, on the basis that my mum would fund her own care, I'd argue that she should be allowed to pay me whatever she'd pay a private carer, because then it would become my money and there'd be no IHT to pay on that part at least.

another aspect - should I be allowed to claim CA if mum can pay for her care?

There's nothing to stop your mum paying you or giving you her Attendance allowance if she wishes. If I have to give up my job to care for my ageing dad, I will be suggesting this to him !

RedHelenB · 06/02/2023 22:37

BrokeAsABone · 06/02/2023 22:22

I'm a Carer for my almost 100 year old aunt. I also work two p/t jobs and have four young children. And a brilliant husband who does so much for my aunt. We are knackered. In every sense of the word.

I also have a sibling who is circling like a vulture, waiting for my aunt to die so she can get the house....my aunt left it to me years ago in her will when I first started caring for her. The manipulation of my sister is wearing me down. It's all too much? Her horrible husband is intimidating too.

I love my aunt so she will have a protector in me until the day she dies. But she and the situation with my sister is harder than bringing up my children put together and multiplied by a hundred!

So if you get the house how much will you have made per year of caring?

LolaSmiles · 06/02/2023 22:38

Carers allowance isn't high enough in my opinion, but cynically I think that's because the people choosing to keep it low want people to have to sell everything they own to care companies who can pass it to their top dogs.

Iam4eels · 06/02/2023 22:39

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CPL593H · 06/02/2023 22:40

PrincessArora · 06/02/2023 22:33

Sazzling, you have no fucking idea. Uneducated crass comment at best, offensive and discriminatory at worst.

It is, but in the words of my old Nan, "They're born but they're not buried". Maybe one day they will know what it's like to give up a well paid career (or any chance of one) to get under 50p an hour for a fairly backbreaking and certainly inexorable job.

Spendonsend · 06/02/2023 22:41

Babyroobs · 06/02/2023 22:28

I get that it is not much, but it would be interesting to know how many do just get carers allowance? For example a single parent carer will get significant amount of UC as well, it won't be that carers allowance is their only income. Any many work part time and claim carers allowance. If you just claim carers element of Uc you can still get that extra element even if you work full time. There are possible only a much smaller number of carers who only get carers allownce- where they have a partner who earns a high enough wage to lift them out of any means tested benefit eligibility completely. Couples who have a disabled child have a significantly higher UC threshold because of disabled child element and carers element, particularly if the child receives higher rate DLA- an extra almost £600 UC per month plus DLA on top. The point I'm making is that yes Carers allowance alone is a pittance but how many actually just receive that ?

Well not all carers are caring for chikdren. Some are caring for spuses, parents and the amount you can earn is only £132 a week. I dont know how ig works with universal credit as I have never claimed either but I thought it your universal credit was reduced by the amount of your carers allowance.

Iam4eels · 06/02/2023 22:42

As an FYI, £69.70 (current rate of CA) equates to £1.99 an hour for 35hrs of care however many family carers are providing 24/7 care as even when they're not actively caring they are in effect "on call". That equates to just 41p an hour.

EmmaEmerald · 06/02/2023 22:43

Babyroobs · 06/02/2023 22:37

There's nothing to stop your mum paying you or giving you her Attendance allowance if she wishes. If I have to give up my job to care for my ageing dad, I will be suggesting this to him !

Interesting. I guess there isn't stopping her employing me privately. That might actually make sense, if things get to that stage. I suppose we'd have to get legal advice. It would constitute a contract of some sort, which
i'd have to organise and therefore be open to accusations of financial abuse.

I have never thought about this, just thought I'd claim carers allowance if it gets to that stage but perhaps we should look into it.

CPL593H · 06/02/2023 22:43

Iam4eels · 06/02/2023 22:42

As an FYI, £69.70 (current rate of CA) equates to £1.99 an hour for 35hrs of care however many family carers are providing 24/7 care as even when they're not actively caring they are in effect "on call". That equates to just 41p an hour.

Yep. My husband can't be left alone safely, at any time.

SleepingStandingUp · 06/02/2023 22:43

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Work through things like having to give up work to care for a disabled child, not being able to work around DH and evenings because then when do you sleep and if you don't sleep and you're performing nursing duties utterly sleep deprived it can be fatal? I can't sign on, I can't look for work, I can't get childcare for a child on full time o2 and tube fed without selling a kidney.

How do you want me to work around that? Survive on one salary and screw the bills? End of on the streets because one wage isn't enough? He's disabled so he doesn't need heating and food?

Babyroobs · 06/02/2023 22:44

Spendonsend · 06/02/2023 22:41

Well not all carers are caring for chikdren. Some are caring for spuses, parents and the amount you can earn is only £132 a week. I dont know how ig works with universal credit as I have never claimed either but I thought it your universal credit was reduced by the amount of your carers allowance.

Carers allowance is deducted from Uc but then you get an additional carers element and if caring for a disabled child then a disabled child element also.

OldSkoolLikeHappyShopper · 06/02/2023 22:44

What is boiling my piss at the moment is the fact that the earnings threshold for people on CA stays the same, while MW and COL goes up…so carers with part time jobs have to keep cutting hours so be able to still claim. Where is the sense in that?

Babyroobs · 06/02/2023 22:45

EmmaEmerald · 06/02/2023 22:43

Interesting. I guess there isn't stopping her employing me privately. That might actually make sense, if things get to that stage. I suppose we'd have to get legal advice. It would constitute a contract of some sort, which
i'd have to organise and therefore be open to accusations of financial abuse.

I have never thought about this, just thought I'd claim carers allowance if it gets to that stage but perhaps we should look into it.

Yes I think if they have been assessed as qualifying for direct payments, they can be paid to a family member. I'm not 100% sure on this, but worth looking into.

clpsmum · 06/02/2023 22:46

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Babyroobs · 06/02/2023 22:46

OldSkoolLikeHappyShopper · 06/02/2023 22:44

What is boiling my piss at the moment is the fact that the earnings threshold for people on CA stays the same, while MW and COL goes up…so carers with part time jobs have to keep cutting hours so be able to still claim. Where is the sense in that?

It will likely go up in April when all the other benefit rates are increased.

Iam4eels · 06/02/2023 22:46

OldSkoolLikeHappyShopper · 06/02/2023 22:44

What is boiling my piss at the moment is the fact that the earnings threshold for people on CA stays the same, while MW and COL goes up…so carers with part time jobs have to keep cutting hours so be able to still claim. Where is the sense in that?

It boils me that other benefits are raised inline with inflation, have uplifts applied due to cost of living or covid or whatever and what does CA get? £10 once a year at Christmas and a £1 a year rise if they're lucky.

Thelnebriati · 06/02/2023 22:47

Carers allowance is thought of as a benefit, and I think that's why people don't care how little it is. That and the fact most people seem to struggle to understand a problem that only affects others is still a problem.

gogohmm · 06/02/2023 22:47

Part of the issue is that there's no differentiation between a parent with a child on mid level dla in school (I claimed in this position) and someone who cares full time as in 24/7 for someone with severe disabilities requiring waking nights etc. I thought the payment was fair enough in my situation but there should be enhanced payments where you don't have the benefit of at least 6 hours of school or other respite.