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To wonder how the next generation will buy a house

428 replies

macaronitoni · 04/02/2023 13:43

Surely there needs to be a massive overhaul of the system. A new build home with two bedrooms on a new development nearby is £315k. Not London. Midlands. Who’s going to be buying that? Too small for a family with more than one DC but way out of budget for most first time buyers.

Without significant family help, how will today’s children and young people manage to buy a house? Something has to change!

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minihitch · 05/02/2023 11:25

fashion not radios!

minihitch · 05/02/2023 11:26

It's also not great for cities like London to have circumstances where young people can't afford to live or stay. You need the youth for progression.

benten54 · 05/02/2023 11:28

Nocaloriesinchocolate · 05/02/2023 11:23

@journeyofinsanity Thank you for pointing out that it will be good news when my generation die out. Makes me feel really welcome in this world and welcome in the volunteering I do. Shall I just end it all now to make life easier?

I think she's merely stating facts. Unless you think you are immortal.
Your generation are the biggest owners of property assets too.
Nothing to do with your volunteering efforts (which other generations do too)

Chevyimpala67 · 05/02/2023 11:36

We were lucky in that we bought in 1999.
In 4 years the mortgage should be paid off (we will be 55 and 54).
No parental help given and we had second hand everything.
BUT our 95% mortgage meant our deposit was £2.5k. We were pretty poorly paid back then but could still buy a 3 bed semi (midlands).
No idea how young people today will do it without considerable financial help from parents/family.
Dc have some money we saved for them in a junior isa and I'd like to think we will be able to give them more once we retire.
They will need to live at home for some time to save a deposit.

MidnightMeltdown · 05/02/2023 11:37

Cuppasoupmonster · 04/02/2023 22:49

The boomers (biggest generation) will die and there will be more houses on the market and therefore less demand/lower prices.

I don't think that it will work like this.

Working age Boomers have been replaced by immigrant populations, many of which have large families. The population of the uk will not be going down any time soon, it's likely to continue going up.

Chevyimpala67 · 05/02/2023 11:37

benten54 · 05/02/2023 11:28

I think she's merely stating facts. Unless you think you are immortal.
Your generation are the biggest owners of property assets too.
Nothing to do with your volunteering efforts (which other generations do too)

I think 2032 is the year that is pointed out in articles I've read.
It's not nasty.
It's fact.
Your generation isn't immortal I'm afraid

Overthebow · 05/02/2023 11:38

*There are predictably a few posts saying it is 'doable' because their son/daughter/friend's acquaintance's DC did it- but what they don't acknowledge is there's always a particular set of circumstances involved.

Whether that's inheritance, the ability to have lived with their parents in adulthood (rent free or otherwise), or because they were lucky enough to happen across a decently enough paid job somewhere where housing costs considerable lower than the national average.*

Not true here. I have now had some inheritance from grandparents, but when we bought our first house in our twenties we had no family help, couldn’t live with our parents so rented in an expensive part of the country, and had to work hard at school and university mounting up loads of student loan to get decent jobs. I had part time jobs all the way through studying and saved whatever money I could, no expensive cars or fancy holidays, no new clothes all the time. It definitely can be done and has/is being done by many young people. It takes a bit of resourcefulness and the right attitude.

bellac11 · 05/02/2023 11:40

macaronitoni · 04/02/2023 23:46

@MidnightMeltdown I think it’s crazy money personally, even for two salaries. 315k? If your deposit is 31.5k it still means finding a bank to lend you 280k+. /4 is 70k between you, so 35k each. Above average salary, for a below average sized home. Who is a 2 bed going to be suitable for? How long will it take most people, graduates or otherwise, to climb the career ladder and earn 35k? And by the time they do, if they want a family, they need more than 2 beds in new builds with rubbish storage at the best of times.

Have you any idea how many families are living perfectly reasonable in 2 bed properties?

Why are you presenting this as some sort of hovel or shed that people cant fit into?

Two teachers, two nurses, two police officers etc could easily afford that house.

And if they cant there are huge areas of the Uk where two people earning minimum wage can afford a 2 or 3 bed house, there has been thread after thread about it.

Chevyimpala67 · 05/02/2023 11:40

MidnightMeltdown · 05/02/2023 11:37

I don't think that it will work like this.

Working age Boomers have been replaced by immigrant populations, many of which have large families. The population of the uk will not be going down any time soon, it's likely to continue going up.

Young well educated people are leqv9ng the UK in droves.
Huge brain drain after Brexshit.
So I think you're wrong tbh

minihitch · 05/02/2023 11:44

Working age Boomers have been replaced by immigrant populations, many of which have large families. The population of the uk will not be going down any time soon, it's likely to continue going up.

@MidnightMeltdown the population is going to start decreasing very soon. Why would you think it's going up? Do you know what birth rates actually look like?

benten54 · 05/02/2023 11:44

For those that don't get it here's a breakdown.
I was on £80k (a pretty decent salary) partner on £25k
Monthly take home was £6k
Rent was £2k
Tube passes £600
Bills (insurance, electric, gas, Council tax etc £1000)
Student loan repayments £500
Living and discretionary costs(food, drink, clothes, going out, gifts, travel) £400
Saved £1500

It would have taken us 9 years to save the £160,000 we needed for a deposit

minihitch · 05/02/2023 11:47

@benten54 people will just tell you to move to a cheaper place & pay less rent or shouldn't have gone to uni! There's a severe lack of critical thinking around the whole issue.

MidnightMeltdown · 05/02/2023 11:50

@Chevyimpala67

These numbers a minuscule compared to numbers entering. You need to look at net migration. Population will continue to rise.

Fizzadora · 05/02/2023 11:50

Plenty of 2 bed terraced houses up here for sale between £100-£150k up here in Cheshire. Easily affordable for two people with no kids on reasonable salaries, just like us boomers did with no help from parents. If everyone stopped infantilising 18-25 year olds, they would work it out.

bellac11 · 05/02/2023 11:50

I would say there is a lack of critical thinking for someone who thinks they can afford something, that they....erm.... cant actually afford

Buy something within your price range, move into a bedsit to save more, move area. The vast vast majority of people cannot afford a property where the deposit is 160k!!! Let alone afford the deposit.

MidnightMeltdown · 05/02/2023 11:52

minihitch · 05/02/2023 11:44

Working age Boomers have been replaced by immigrant populations, many of which have large families. The population of the uk will not be going down any time soon, it's likely to continue going up.

@MidnightMeltdown the population is going to start decreasing very soon. Why would you think it's going up? Do you know what birth rates actually look like?

Link please? Every projection I've seen shows the population continuing to rise.

minihitch · 05/02/2023 11:52

@MidnightMeltdown the only growth is based on forecasted net migration figures as we are ageing.

minihitch · 05/02/2023 11:52

@MidnightMeltdown where is your link it's ever increasing?

MidnightMeltdown · 05/02/2023 11:54

minihitch · 05/02/2023 11:44

Working age Boomers have been replaced by immigrant populations, many of which have large families. The population of the uk will not be going down any time soon, it's likely to continue going up.

@MidnightMeltdown the population is going to start decreasing very soon. Why would you think it's going up? Do you know what birth rates actually look like?

And birth rates are only a small part of the story so that's not especially relevant.

MidnightMeltdown · 05/02/2023 11:57

minihitch · 05/02/2023 11:52

@MidnightMeltdown where is your link it's ever increasing?

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationprojections/bulletins/nationalpopulationprojections/2020basedinterim

Your turn?

minihitch · 05/02/2023 11:59

And birth rates are only a small part of the story so that's not especially relevant.

it's relevant when you say "immigrant populations, many of which have large families"...

LiquoriceAllsort2 · 05/02/2023 12:00

MidnightMeltdown · 05/02/2023 11:37

I don't think that it will work like this.

Working age Boomers have been replaced by immigrant populations, many of which have large families. The population of the uk will not be going down any time soon, it's likely to continue going up.

Don't state this or you will be branded racist,racist, racist.

SO224350 · 05/02/2023 12:02

MoserRothOrangeandAlmond · 05/02/2023 10:14

Save save save, I saved for my mortgage from the age of 18 when I lived at home. When I graduated at 21, I paid my parents bord and saved as I wanted to move out and not rent. So me and my then fiancé (now husband) got a mortgage at 24 (that was 9 years ago).
From what I gather on Mumsnet 18 year olds can't work they need to focus on their studies etc. Where as my parents saved from the age of 16 to get a mortgage at 20. So their expectations were for me and my sibling to do the same. They taught us a lot about finances and saving growing up as every penny was accounted for

They don't want to save though, they want the latest tech, nice car, foreign holidays..

A uni graduate in a minimum wage full time can easily save £500 a month whilst living at home. Soon adds up after 4 or 5 years.

minihitch · 05/02/2023 12:02

@MidnightMeltdown your ONS link only goes up to 2045 & it's basing increase in numbers on projected migration?

"UK population growth over the next 10 years is projected to be driven by a net 2.2 million people migrating into the country."

Clingfilm · 05/02/2023 12:03

A lot of people relying on inheritance, you can kiss goodbye to that if the elderly relatives end up in a home with dementia for 20 years.