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AIBU to suspect these comments could be antisemitic?

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NC4FBgroup · 04/02/2023 11:22

Saw the 2 attached comments in a facebook group thread about crime (see pic).

They are both by the same person. The user's profile banner is Pepe the frog (I don't know anything about this except that i once heard that apparently it is used by racists/trolls/4chan or something??).

For context: Goyim means gentiles and the multiple brackets around "your boss" was briefly used on Twitter as a code for Jews a few years ago. The rest of the 2nd comment I can't work out if he is serious or a parody.

The admin of the group often post that they will not tolerate any racism in the group. WIBU to report the attached comments to the admin?

AIBU to suspect these comments could be antisemitic?
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ReneBumsWombats · 04/02/2023 11:25

Certainly looks it to me.

Report it, but don't get your hopes up.

Mardyface · 04/02/2023 11:30

Report it.

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NC4FBgroup · 04/02/2023 11:38

Thanks both for the replies. I had been doubting myself, wondering if I was being too sensitive or seeing something that wasn't intended, but I will report it to the admin now and see what they say.

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SaySomethingMan · 04/02/2023 11:38

Why is there a term needed for people who are not Jewish? I understand people in Israel using the term, or in a synagogue but why in the wider world?
We’ve an upcoming presentation about the experiences of people in a jewish/gentile marriage and this has prompted my curiosity. Why doesn’t non-jewish suffice?
Please educate me if you don’t mind.

I’ve just been doing a bit of googling (i’d never heard of either term) and it seems ubermensch was used by the Nazis? Very possible that the poster is anti semitic

WhiteFire · 04/02/2023 11:38

Yeah, that is dreadful. Not "in your face" as the reader would need to know the meaning of the words, but once you do, there is no denying it.

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NC4FBgroup · 04/02/2023 11:44

WhiteFire · 04/02/2023 11:38

Yeah, that is dreadful. Not "in your face" as the reader would need to know the meaning of the words, but once you do, there is no denying it.

That's the thing, isn't it, it's not quite "in your face" unless you're already familiar with the terminology so I hesitated before reporting in case people thought I was just over sensitive.

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CPL593H · 04/02/2023 11:46

"Ubermensch" is a strange usage in this context as it means the superior/ideal man, Untermensch being the opposite, actually subhuman and used by the Nazis to describe "non Aryans".

I think he/she has their terms confused.

CPL593H · 04/02/2023 11:48

Sorry, posted too soon. I'd report it.

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 04/02/2023 11:50

SaySomethingMan · 04/02/2023 11:38

Why is there a term needed for people who are not Jewish? I understand people in Israel using the term, or in a synagogue but why in the wider world?
We’ve an upcoming presentation about the experiences of people in a jewish/gentile marriage and this has prompted my curiosity. Why doesn’t non-jewish suffice?
Please educate me if you don’t mind.

I’ve just been doing a bit of googling (i’d never heard of either term) and it seems ubermensch was used by the Nazis? Very possible that the poster is anti semitic

Because if you’re Jewish and you’re talking to someone else who is Jewish about people who are not Jewish, it’s useful to have an actual word. Goyim is the Hebrew (and Yiddish) word for non-Jewish people.

Bideshi · 04/02/2023 11:51

Unmistakeably anti-semitic. Always to be challenged no matter what.

sunshinesupermum · 04/02/2023 11:54

SaySomethingMan You can use non-Jewish of course, but in modern Hebrew and Yiddish goy is a term for a gentile, a non-Jew, and used wherever Jews live, not just in Israel. Through Yiddish, the word has been adopted into English (pluralised as goys or goyim)

OP I would definitely report.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/02/2023 11:55

I hadn't heard of the 'your boss' code, but anyone who talks of 'being a hated minority in your own country that your ancestors fought and died for' is almost certain to be a racist.

Isitsixoclockalready · 04/02/2023 11:58

Does seem to utilise classic terminology where anti-Semitism is espoused but in that cowardly fashion where they won't come out and say it. Obviously we only have a snippet but I'd be troubled by what I'd read.

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NC4FBgroup · 04/02/2023 12:04

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/02/2023 11:55

I hadn't heard of the 'your boss' code, but anyone who talks of 'being a hated minority in your own country that your ancestors fought and died for' is almost certain to be a racist.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

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PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/02/2023 12:10

NC4FBgroup · 04/02/2023 12:04

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Thank you, I didn't know about that symbol (I don't really do social media other than Mumsnet).

AnorLondo · 04/02/2023 12:31

Report it and if needs be explain to the admin what it means.

SaySomethingMan · 04/02/2023 12:43

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 04/02/2023 11:50

Because if you’re Jewish and you’re talking to someone else who is Jewish about people who are not Jewish, it’s useful to have an actual word. Goyim is the Hebrew (and Yiddish) word for non-Jewish people.

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I think many different groups have terminology for ‘outsiders’, so I do understand that.

I think in the scenario that got me thinking, it’s a presentation to raise awareness to different cultures at work and is titled marriage between a Jewish person and a Gentile.
Google tells me that historically gentiles were seen as unclean/impure in the Bible. So it has that connotation…

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 04/02/2023 13:03

Google tells me that historically gentiles were seen as unclean/impure in the Bible. So it has that connotation

I think that’s a reach. It literally means not Jewish, based on the Latin translation of goyim in the Old Testament. (Tended to refer to clans/nations more than individuals)

At heart, all non-adherents to a religion are described in that religion’s texts as “impure” because the religious observers are by definition the pure ones.

As to whether it’s antisemitic, it’s written as such gibberish I can’t tell. If it contains dog-whistles to racists, I’m happy to not know them. Certainly not the words of a rational person.

TowerStork · 04/02/2023 13:08

Looks like it to me but it's not obvious which is often the point

Mardyface · 04/02/2023 13:31

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 04/02/2023 13:03

Google tells me that historically gentiles were seen as unclean/impure in the Bible. So it has that connotation

I think that’s a reach. It literally means not Jewish, based on the Latin translation of goyim in the Old Testament. (Tended to refer to clans/nations more than individuals)

At heart, all non-adherents to a religion are described in that religion’s texts as “impure” because the religious observers are by definition the pure ones.

As to whether it’s antisemitic, it’s written as such gibberish I can’t tell. If it contains dog-whistles to racists, I’m happy to not know them. Certainly not the words of a rational person.

I'm sure you are not trying to defend antisemitism. But you are starting to sound like you are.

Mardyface · 04/02/2023 13:32

Mardyface · 04/02/2023 13:31

I'm sure you are not trying to defend antisemitism. But you are starting to sound like you are.

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I'm sorry, that was intended for @SaySomethingMan not you @HiccupHorrendousHaddock .

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/02/2023 13:41

I'd report it @NC4FBgroup.

007DoubleOSeven · 04/02/2023 13:55

There's still hope if antisemitic arseh*les are still a hated minority.

But, yes, op, please do report.

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 04/02/2023 14:47

Mardyface · 04/02/2023 13:32

I'm sorry, that was intended for @SaySomethingMan not you @HiccupHorrendousHaddock .

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Thank you

MotivateMe · 04/02/2023 21:28

Definitely report

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