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AIBU to ask you to help me become a high/higher earner?

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VivaForEva · 03/02/2023 20:51

I’m in my mid 30’s and currently work in a nursery earning a pittance.

Alongside this, I am doing a BA (Hons) Business Management (Accounting) degree through the OU.

DH earns £45k a year in a public sector role with a set rate of progression. His pay will always go up bands/increment levels, but it’ll be very much a gradual rise.

I have two years more to do of my 6 year degree (part time) and I really need some advice on how to use it to become a reasonably high earner? I know it’s not as simple as getting a degree and walking into a job and I’m totally content with beginning on the bottom rung of the ladder, as long as I’m working towards something more.

I just want to be able to offer more to my children than I can at present and really want to better myself.

Im very grateful for any advice.

OP posts:
TheRealKatnissEverdeen · 04/02/2023 07:19

Just popped on as I think a pp mentioned it's hard to find high paying roles where you can do the school run. That's not correct. I work in tech as suggested by another pp. I and lots of my colleagues who are parents can manage pick up and other things quire easily. I can work my diary to suit as the role is more outcome and delivery focused.
If you go into accounting and finance then do take a look at the roles which pay what you're after as my husband works in accounting (charity and Public sector) but doesn't earn well (for our requirements).
Good luck. Some really useful responses from others so hope it's useful.

Parisj · 04/02/2023 07:30

Can you say a bit about what your talents and attributes are in addition to your degree? If you are a technical whizz or a deep thinker the suggested direction might be different to if you are a strategic thinker, a creative or an inspirational leader.
And also what you are willing to do for it and what you are not eg work long hours, travel, complete extra training in own time, work in a high stress environment, be competetive, go for promotion every year or so, self-advertise, sell your soul.
I was going to say take a look at opportunities within NHS or Social Care Commissioning (look at NHS England jobs for example). Its a business environment but opportunity to progress to the higher end of public sector salaries.
I am extremely happy earning two thirds of your goal salary and feel like I have won the jackpot doing a job that I love too.
If what you really want is to be a high earner, then that will make you happy. Good luck with your career exploration.

Parisj · 04/02/2023 07:31

Oh I don't work in that sector btw, I made it sound like I do

pjparty · 04/02/2023 07:32

I would look at the various financial services companies which have operations in the north. It will take you a little longer to reach £80k than if you were based in London but very possible to earn that figure after a few promotions so potential is there. Another alternative is to start in London, have a dreadful commute to the office for the required days (most in office at least two/ tree days a week the test from home) and when you have build trust you may be able to ask to be at home more permanently.

ThePoetsWife · 04/02/2023 07:35

betweenarockandhardplace · 04/02/2023 07:11

It's worth noting that whilst Big 4 won't discriminate against you for being older or having children, a training contract is typically three years of pain, and it's very difficult without family support. You will be required to go to college on and off on fixed dates on block release - some firms still expect this to be in person. With your DP in the Forces, arranging childcare is going to be hard. Working and studying is going to be hard. (Although your experience studying now whilst having children is going to be really useful, as you'll have undoubtedly gained some discipline there over making enough time.)

Not everyone passes exams first time. And whilst entry criteria have dropped in recent years, the standards once you're in haven't. Fail an exam, get fired. That's a lot of pressure to have over your head. For three years!

Once qualified, accountancy is very family friendly. But you have to stuck up those three years first.

£80k in the regions? You could be looking at, say, 20 years to get there. How does that timeline work for you?

Things have changed now.

All learning is now done online so no need to go to college.

And yes you do get paid £80k in the regions - and even better you don't have to deal with the high costs from living in London.

Still three years to become CIMA qualified and if you fail an exam, you pay for the resits.

ThePoetsWife · 04/02/2023 07:36

*£80k within 5-6 years

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 04/02/2023 07:43

@Keepyourmummysboys you're an embarrassment to the internet. I hope you have a rotten hangover today Smile

justusandmoo · 04/02/2023 07:44

Keepyourmummysboys · 03/02/2023 21:12

Your husband is a relatively low earner, to be fair jus above average which is 38. Not exactly rocking the world, is he. I guess that’s why you want to do better, so you’re not skint for ever.

what’s your degree in, can it be used for other things?

Wow. Just absolutely wow. What a nasty person you are.

JADS · 04/02/2023 07:47

I don't have anything to add, but good luck. I earn your target salary but have dine it via the medical route which I would not recommend.

I just wanted to say being a trailling spouse is bloody hard work and it really limits your employment options. Is dh planning to retire and support your children on a day to day basis?

betweenarockandhardplace · 04/02/2023 07:47

ThePoetsWife · 04/02/2023 07:35

Things have changed now.

All learning is now done online so no need to go to college.

And yes you do get paid £80k in the regions - and even better you don't have to deal with the high costs from living in London.

Still three years to become CIMA qualified and if you fail an exam, you pay for the resits.

Depends. BPP do all of their training online these days but Tolleys very much do still offer a face to face option, and some teams insist on the face to face courses. (Why?)

£80k in the regions is not impossible, but it will take a lot of time to get there, especially if the OP turns out to 'only' be 'average' and not a prize-winning prodigy. I just want her to be realistic about how long it will take to achieve her higher-earning dream if she stays in the regions.

4thonthe4th · 04/02/2023 07:50

Keepyourmummysboys · 03/02/2023 21:12

Your husband is a relatively low earner, to be fair jus above average which is 38. Not exactly rocking the world, is he. I guess that’s why you want to do better, so you’re not skint for ever.

what’s your degree in, can it be used for other things?

Hopefully he can read though, so he is already doing better than you!

VivaForEva · 04/02/2023 08:01

Thanks for the support everyone. It’s given me a lot to think about. IT type roles is something I’ve never considered, so will look into the options there.

Some posters pointed out that as a military family, we move frequently. We are hoping to buy a home in one area, however this could mean having to go what’s called “married unaccompanied”, if my husband ends up assigned away from the family home - which is quite likely. This will make my life very difficult, working long hours, potentially studying at the same time and being a solo parent on a long term basis.

I am really driven though, I’ve had to be to complete my degree whilst working and at times my husband being deployed.

Id say my key skills are that I am determined, good at maths and good with numbers, quite a logical person. I am someone who has always been valued by my employer because I’m a very positive person and can lift the spirits of a team, although I’ve never been in charge of a team so I’m not sure how I’d do with that.

Im willing to work really hard to get to where I want to be. After all the replies, I’m feeling really positive about it all. Thank you.

OP posts:
Paq · 04/02/2023 08:04

Look at typical salaries for roles and sectors.

Look at the main sectors and employers in your potential future geographical areas.

Look at emerging trends ans opportunities, where skills are in short supply and where skills will be needed more.

Get some careers advice through the OU.

Have a solid understanding of your own strengths and interests.

Set up a LinkedIn profile and follow people, companies and sector groups you might be interested in.

Think about how you can start building a professional network. Are there local "women in business" groups that could help (once you move)?

Set your husband's expectations that he'll need to step up re childcare and domestics while you get started.

Believe in yourself.

TonightMatthewIamgoingtobecher · 04/02/2023 08:20

Keepyourmummysboys · 03/02/2023 21:12

Your husband is a relatively low earner, to be fair jus above average which is 38. Not exactly rocking the world, is he. I guess that’s why you want to do better, so you’re not skint for ever.

what’s your degree in, can it be used for other things?

This is not correct I think maybe you are looking at median household income. Around 33k is median annual salary .

Depending on where in the country op lives Id say that is pretty decent

You've been getting good advice op and definably agree at looking at grad schemas now so you can start to prepare. Do think about work-life balance as high salary does sacrifice a lot and often not without stress.

GnomeDePlume · 04/02/2023 09:48

There are lots of different accountancy and finance careers. It isn't simply a case of pick one and that is what you will be doing until you retire.

The job I do now didn't exist when I started work and the job I did when I started work doesn't exist now.

If you are going to be an accountant then get qualified. I have met too many people who didn't knuckle down to it then find themselves trapped in roles they have outgrown because they get rejected by CV sifting.

Getting qualified is hard not because the subject matter is particularly difficult but because getting through it all takes commitment. Life gets in the way. The people who lack commitment allow themselves to be side tracked.

There are different types of qualification. The main ones are ACA (chartered accountants), CIMA (management accountants), ACCA (certified accountants). Once qualified it's the experience you pick up which matters.

OoooohMatron · 04/02/2023 09:59

Keepyourmummysboys · 03/02/2023 21:12

Your husband is a relatively low earner, to be fair jus above average which is 38. Not exactly rocking the world, is he. I guess that’s why you want to do better, so you’re not skint for ever.

what’s your degree in, can it be used for other things?

How rude are you? Not sure where you got the figure of 37k being the average salary. 45k is not huge but is a good salary. Did you just come on to be a bit of a twat?

Marblessolveeverything · 04/02/2023 10:13

I am in Ireland so you may need to look for local equivalent. As pp have said secure a job with a good reputation. I would suggest you approach it in two steps. Get the employer that is family friendly and then identify a key area to aim for.

Our education body publishes a future skills report it sets out growth areas.

Cyber security, project management, risk averse strategy, process review skills would have been predicted and jobs in these areas are paying high salaries.

drpet49 · 04/02/2023 10:15

Keepyourmummysboys · 03/02/2023 21:12

Your husband is a relatively low earner, to be fair jus above average which is 38. Not exactly rocking the world, is he. I guess that’s why you want to do better, so you’re not skint for ever.

what’s your degree in, can it be used for other things?

@Keepyourmummysboys how nasty are you.

AltheaVestr1t · 04/02/2023 10:22

Keepyourmummysboys · 03/02/2023 21:12

Your husband is a relatively low earner, to be fair jus above average which is 38. Not exactly rocking the world, is he. I guess that’s why you want to do better, so you’re not skint for ever.

what’s your degree in, can it be used for other things?

'Relatively low' and 'above average' are contradictory terms.

Stompythedinosaur · 04/02/2023 10:26

Keepyourmummysboys · 03/02/2023 21:12

Your husband is a relatively low earner, to be fair jus above average which is 38. Not exactly rocking the world, is he. I guess that’s why you want to do better, so you’re not skint for ever.

what’s your degree in, can it be used for other things?

I think you might need to go back to maths classes - you understand that "above average" means earning more than 50% of the population? Hence not really a low wage?

If you were just wanting to point out that you earn above this, they make your brag and move on.

Maray1967 · 04/02/2023 10:35

AltheaVestr1t · 04/02/2023 10:22

'Relatively low' and 'above average' are contradictory terms.

Exactly. Well said.
I can’t advise you, OP, as I don’t work in the line(s) that you’re aiming for, but it looks like you’ve had some good advice here.
Plus - I thank your husband for his military service.

Luredbyapomegranate · 04/02/2023 10:39

Keepyourmummysboys · 03/02/2023 21:21

Oh cmon,,,,this isn’t net mums, do we need to pretend? If so. Sorry. I Misunderstood,

Being irrelevantly bitchy doesn’t make you cool. Are you 13 or were you just pissed?

Maryquitecontrary55 · 04/02/2023 10:46

I earn about 50 thousand as a senior secondary teacher. But obviously I need childcare during term time. Don't get to do the school run! It's a pretty intense, busy job and not family friendly, apart from the holidays.

Luredbyapomegranate · 04/02/2023 10:49

You’ve had some good advice on here and you will absolutely do very well - you are on the right track and have a great attitude.

The one thing I would say is to keep a open dialogue running with your husband. If you decide to become an accountant, you will eventually need to know where you are going to live, and it may be at some point it makes sense for him to leave the forces as you become the bigger earner. You don’t need to bring that up now, he might find it a bit alarming, but just open a general dialogue. A forces career can stand you in very good stead for a career outside. One of my relatives for example ended up working his way up to operations manager for one of the big accountancy firms (dealing with property moves around the world and all sorts) and did extremely well.

It may also be worth looking at the option of state secondary schools with boarding facilities should you need to bridge any gaps as you return to the Uk. They are usually very good schools.

shinynewapple22 · 04/02/2023 11:08

Keepyourmummysboys · 03/02/2023 21:12

Your husband is a relatively low earner, to be fair jus above average which is 38. Not exactly rocking the world, is he. I guess that’s why you want to do better, so you’re not skint for ever.

what’s your degree in, can it be used for other things?

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