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Should I expect my partner to pay me

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Helloworld3 · 02/02/2023 15:04

My partner and I have been together for 10 years and when I met him he was making pennies as a mechanic and was in bad debt and his credit was terrible. I helped him pay off his debt and helped raise his credit by disputing multiple things on his credit report and putting him on my credit card as authorized user. I did all the legwork on all of this. Also I co-signed a car loan for him so he could get a good interest rate. (The car was for us and our kids). We bought a really cheap house and lived there for 4 years. He got a new job where he makes more than triple what he was making before. I don’t make much money I could barely afford to pay half the expenses of our cheap house. But I did it. We had two kids and I changed my job from an employee at a company to having my own business so I could have a flexible schedule so I could take care of the kids doctors appointments, pick up and drop off, etc. His job does not have a flexible schedule and he works 50+ hours a week so he can’t do any of the kids duties. With my new job I make significantly less than what I was making before but still paid half of the house’s expenses.

We decided to move to a new house and he wanted a very expensive house since he started making way more money. I said I didn’t feel comfortable getting a more expensive house because I wanted to still be able to pay half the expenses but i knew I wouldn’t be able to afford anything more than what I was currently paying. I didn’t want to hold him back by getting another cheap house when he really wanted an expensive house and he could now afford it. And there were periods where I didn’t pay anything like when I was on maternity leave and a few other couple month periods where I just wasn’t making enough money at my job. When I was on maternity leave he complained that I was putting too much pressure on him to pay all the bills.

So we sold our cheap house and bought the new expensive house. We spent $25,000 on the down payment of new house and we made $85,000 in profit of old house. I assumed when he got the deposit of the profit of old house that he would transfer me half of it. We have separate accounts. He did not. I mentioned it very casually one day and he said it was safer in his account and I always have access to his account. He wanted it there for “us”. I let it go.

Currently I pay around 1/3 of the home expenses. I am really struggling with money. I am constantly overdrawn on my account and just barely get by with what I’m making. He consistently has $80,000 in his bank account when I usually have around $100. He earns more money than his expenses so his bank account usually continues to go up because he doesn’t spend much money.

I have a little bit of credit card debt and I mentioned the idea of him co-signing a personal loan for me to pay it off since his income is so high, it would give me a great interest rate. When he doesn’t want to do something he gets quiet and says, “we can look into it” but I know he really means no. In the past I asked him to give me “owner access” to our cell phone plan so I could buy a new phone and he pretended like he didn’t know how. Then later when I complained about it he admitted he didn’t want to because he didn’t want me spending too much money and making the bill go up.

I feel like since he makes significantly more money than me and I am basically the sole caretaker of our two kids that he should be throwing money at me. I think he should’ve offered to pay off my credit card debt. I also think he should give me a little bit of money regularly so I can get by a little easier than I have been. I think if our roles were reversed I would happily give him the money to pay off his credit cards because it’s pennies compared to what he has in his bank account. I may be in the wrong because it’s not his fault that I make significantly less than him and not his fault I have credit card debt. Maybe I should figure out how to get a higher paying job.

OP posts:
xogossipgirlxo · 02/02/2023 15:31

If you're mother of his children, you should have access to his bank account, not pocket money like some school girl. Especially that you do more at home, so you're not capable of making same sort of money he makes. He sounds weird and very controlling re "his" money. Are you on documents as house owner?

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/02/2023 15:35

He's financially abusive. First I would insist on getting the share of the 85K immediately. Immediately. If he won't, I'd be planning my life without him. It's YOUR hard-earned money.

FenghuangHoyan · 02/02/2023 15:41

Erm... I would be deeply worried about that £85k personally. I would either want the account in both your names or I would want the money splitting.

By the way, as for "safer" in one account, it is not. £85k is the maximum that banks will insure per account, so any other money he has above that amount in his account is not insured.

I would personally get some legal advice on this as I doubt he will be willing to give you the money and will say that you will spend it or and up in debt etc. At that point, you should probably say, it is my money and I can do what the hell I want with it.

In my relationship I earn more, but give my partner money when they need it. That's normal. I'm also working on getting us a joint account which is something I also think is normal.

iwannascream · 02/02/2023 15:44

Apologies i'm a little confused, did you purchase the new house out right or did you get a mortgage, as i would assume that any profit that you made from the old house would be used to lower the amount borrowed on the new property.

However, if he did keep the profit you need to request half as you paid 50/50 into the old property.

Also might be good to remind him that when you first got together you did
everything you could to help him pay off his debt.

Activelyannoyed · 02/02/2023 15:46

He took the equity and you just let it go??

Gawpygertie · 02/02/2023 15:47

If the house was in joint names then the money should have been transferred to a joint account or split into two amounts.
I would play hell with my dh if he did this with £40k of my money.

shoofly · 02/02/2023 15:47

I don't really understand why when you sold the cheap house that the £85k didn't go towards the new house.

Are you married? Is your name on the new house. You've enabled him to treat you unfairly and it doesn't sound like an equal partnership. If when you try to discuss it nothing changes I don't know what you can do to fix it. Please tell us you, at least, have the legal protection of marriage?

DilemmaDelilah · 02/02/2023 15:55

I think you should just have a conversation about how much you should be contributing to the household expenses. I earn more than my DH. I put more into the household expenses and savings and we both end up with the same amount of personal spending money. In my opinion your credit card should be paid off and neither of you should have a personal credit card unless you choose have it for your personal spending and then it should be paid from your own personal spending money. All joint costs including everything for the children should come out of the household pot. All this with the caveat that additional spending out of the norm should be discussed - i.e. buying new curtains, sending the children to a new club on a regular basis etc. Not getting the children new shoes or doing the supermarket shopping.

Snowfalling · 02/02/2023 16:08

It's really worrying that you feel unable to speak about finances openly and aren't demanding equal access to all assets. What's with the asking for your half of the 85k 'very casually' like it's small change? Come on!!

You sound very articulate and intelligent. How would you deal with this if it was a work issue? Have a grown up conversation, ask for your half of the 85k, if he thinks it's safer in one account, ask him to transfer it all into yours.

It's time for a very frank conversation, take all emotion out of it and deal with it as you would if you were two colleagues, or treat it like a business deal. There's a lot at stake.

To reiterate, you need equal access to all accounts

You want your half of the 85k

You should only be paying proportionate to what you earn

And for God's sake, get married to protect yourself if you're not already. It can be a small registry if you want. Don't be fobbed off by him delaying. Marriage protects you as the lower earner who's been impacted by taking time out to birth and raise children.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 02/02/2023 16:13

Tell him you are going back to work FT and will be hiring a nanny for which he will need to find 50% of the cost for.

And get your $40k back and make sure the current house is in joint names.
Either that or you take the $85k and make a clean break.

LittleLegoWoman · 02/02/2023 16:39

I don’t understand why the 85 grand is just sitting in a bank account? Why did it not go on the house deposit to bring the mortgage down?

But if it’s sitting in a bank account then half of it is yours OP! You shouldn’t have any credit card debt when the family has 85 thousand just sitting around. That’s insane. It makes no financial sense. He’s financially abusing you

Tinkerbyebye · 02/02/2023 16:50

I would set out in written format all that you did at the beginning so he understands how you helped him get to where he is now

I would point out how long you paid half for, even though you earn much less that him

i would tell him you want your half of the profit in your account

cstaff · 02/02/2023 16:53

So he was happy for you to help with his debts and loans when he wasn't making that much but wont do the same in return. As for the money from the house, that should be in a joint account accessible to you both or divided between the two of you.

What makes him think that he can control you and your money and it is your money as well as his. He needs to be reminded of how you paid off his loans back then and the very least he should do is pay your credit card.

DemonHost · 02/02/2023 17:59

Face it you’ve never been a real couple if you have separate finances.

RobertsRadio · 02/02/2023 19:08

Well if you are not married and all the money is in his sole bank accounts then you are screwed. Please tell me that at least the house is in joint names? By having children with this man and downgrading your job and earning potential without the legal protection of marriage you have allowed this man to significantly financially abuse you, and the worst thing is you just rolled over and let him do this to you.

You are going to either try and get him to marry you, I'm guessing he won't be keen because he will know exactly what the financial implications will mean, or go back to work full time because you are broke and tell him that he will be paying for the cost of childcare because you can't afford it. The other alternative is to split, get your share of the house and tell him he will have the DC 50/50 because you will need to work FT.

You could try to appeal to his better nature to make all funds joint, but that doesn't seem to have gone well so far.

Pardon44 · 02/02/2023 19:25

Your not married. He fleeced you for £42,500 already. The 85k is safer in his pocket because its in his pocket. Meanwhile, your racking up dept, paying interest rates, living skint and probably have no claim at all to the current property. I'd cut my loses now. No point continuing to be financially abused.

NellietheElephantpackedhertrunks · 02/02/2023 21:07

If he said you always have access to his account and that’s correct, just transfer your $40k to your account (when he questions it, say you can’t manage without it).

Stopthebusplease · 02/02/2023 21:30

As a previous poster said, he told you that you always have access to his account, so tell him you want your money, pointing out that you are now paying interest on credit card debt which you wish to pay off in full, so that you no longer have to pay interest. However, quite honestly OP, it really sounds like you've allowed yourself to be taken for a mug. You gave him all the support he could have asked for in the early days, worked your arse off to pay your share, and take care of the kids, and now he doesn't want to even give you YOUR own money!! Access your share of the money, and unless you have the new home in your JOINT names, get the hell out of there, would be my advice!

BMrs · 03/02/2023 07:15

That doesn't sound right at all. If you have children then shouldn't all money coming into the family be shared? If you're working less to care for his children then you shouldn't have to scrimp and save when he has money to spare.

I think you need a real sit down conversation to talk about all this with him but from your OP I don't think he will change much. Sorry he sounds like such a d*ck

Patchworksack · 03/02/2023 07:33

Also questioning that any equity from selling a small property to buy a bigger more expensive one doesn’t get put straight into the mortgage. That would be the only reason to have it in one account (temporarily) until it could be transferred. Otherwise it is half yours and get it into savings in your name only! Your whole financial set up sounds really unfair and leaves you very vulnerable, your unpaid labour as main carer is what allows him to earn a big salary.
You need more equitable and transparent way of sorting your family finances. If you got a full time job and you each paid half of the necessary childcare would you as a family be better off? Working it out might show him how much your contribution is worth in financial terms. Have you talked about how your current property is owned? I’d be worried that if it is sold he will say you only own 1/3 (though actually he took all the money from the previous one).

SmileWithADimple · 03/02/2023 07:35

You are in a very vulnerable position here OP. You need to get your half of the equity transferred to your account immediately.

Floofyduffypuddy · 03/02/2023 07:46

How incredibly patronising.

Why is it safer with him?

  1. without nagging say you both need to restructuring finances.
  2. you need to work out what realistic and feasible as a contribution. Perhaps covering food costs? Nothing else.
  3. you must be in a position where you can start to save.
  4. you need your own bank account and also a shared account with him with a card.
  5. money needs to be shared between you into various pots for various things including separate savings.
  6. you can both contribute what you can afford to those pots you may contribute £5 him £50.
  7. once all basics are covered eg usual bills pretol food... you have pots for children's clothes/school expenses/Christmas/birthday/holidays m
  8. work out what is jointly available for left over spends.....

9).get the 40 grand and put 20 straight into an stocks and shares ISA. Into index funds

10) put some into pb only as a little tucked away savings pot. Give yourself some as a regular cushion of a few thousand.
12) think about opening up ansipp. Self invested personal pension you can't access to 55 but you can put something around 3500 per year if you don't work and the government adds about 200 to that? Check figures. You can get around 3 grand in now and another 3 in after tax year in April. Once it's up and running in future years you can add what you can afford to it.

GinClassHeroes · 03/02/2023 07:55

You are sitting with £85k as a bank and have a mortgage and credit card debt? That’s just stupid. You are being financially abused.

Get a full-time job right away.

canfor · 03/02/2023 07:59

Start stamping your feet and do not accept this. You are not unreasonable.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 03/02/2023 08:33

This is massively unreasonable. the only way you can work out how to get a better job is if he works out how to do half the child and house stuff so that you have time and space to retrain...but he is not going to because he is selfish.

Yoube helped him so much with credit and money but he wont give you half of your own money, pay expenses in proportion to what they earn, acknowledge the only reason he can work so hard is because you do all the kid stuff, or even share things in minor ways such as putting his name on a loan or getting you a new phone 'in case bills are too high'. I bet he gets a new phone if he wants one.

Not having equal and joint access to family money and having equal say in financial decisions, is (in the absence of being proven to be shit with money) financial abuse