Vaping indoors

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Last night I went out in a major UK City in to a couple of bars and then a club. In all of the venues, there were people all over the place vaping inside. Some discreetly, some absolutely not discreetly.

I haven’t witnessed this in London or my local town in the south, but I don’t go out out very often.

Is this a thing now? Do people think it’s acceptable?

We successfully banished smoking from indoors for the better, but it seems vaping could creep back in. I personally hate it and don’t think we know the full extent of the damage vaping passively can do.

I'm an ex-smoker who gave up smoking by switching to using vapes and I get frustrated at not being able to vape indoors (just full disclosure there).

I 100% blame the wankers who blow out those massive clouds of raspberry-flavoured guff. It's not surprising people get irritated with it. (My vape fluid doesn't have a flavour - it's just nicotine - and I don't do the Puff the Magic Dragon bollocks.)

My understanding is that the cloud is mostly water vapour. But I get why it makes people uneasy.

Sorry I meant the one in my town (Nottingham) which is legal because it’s classed as outside - rooftop terrace etc

I sneakily vape at Football (banned because the cameras couldn’t distinguish it from cigs) and in bars - you wouldn’t even know I was doing it.

I agree with this, I think the industry needs to pull its socks up on environmental responsibility.

The batteries in disposable vapes are actually rechargeable. It would cost pennies more for the manufacturer to add a charging port and make the e-liquid pods replaceable. It's pure profiteering to be selling these pointlessly sealed units as 'disposable'.

There is a need for a vape that works straight out of the packet and is cheaper than a packet of fags. There is no need for it to be 'disposable', especially if it can be sold for a similar price.

So if I was in charge all units sold must be rechargeable, all units must be refillable (or replacement pods). Extra wish - standardised connections so you can use one manufacturer's pods on another's battery unit. This is how it was in the olden days when vaping was all fields (or at least the industry was dominated by SME).

Also, because some people will always continue to treat them as disposable regardless, battery recycling points at every shop that sells them, perhaps with a small financial incentive for every battery handed in, like we used to do with pop bottles.

Meanwhile there are plenty of non-disposable options that do not produce Big Clouds.

@LangClegsInSpace given you're about
My fave and one and only tank has been discontinued
Mini triton, and I use a mini nautilus mouthpiece on it. Top fill. Any ideas for a replacement?

Selfishly I would like to be able to go to the pub and vape but that isn't an option so I just have a wine at home. Some people (like my mother) would be up in arms if it was acceptable to vape indoors.

The massive clouds are horrible, always sickly sweet!

I really would hate for vaping in pubs and restaurants to be common place like smoking once was.

I don’t think the comparison to someone wearing strong perfume or smelling of garlic are comparable tbh!

You drinking coffee has no impact on me.

You smoking or vaping does

'E-cigarettes are used almost exclusively by smokers and ex-smokers' and children...

But children have always smoked for as long as there have been teenagers
I wish vaping had been about when I was 13 as I might have started that instead of getting a 30 day cigarette habit and all the damage that comes with it
It's like alcohol or cigarettes, you can do whatever you want to try and stop underage from buying it/using it but it's always going to happen
I'm not saying it's a positive thing but if the ones who would have smoked, vape instead then that is incredible for their future health
The ones who are vaping are likely to be the ones who would have smoked previously and it is so so much safer

Meh, I'm more concerned about all the 11 and 12 year olds in my area who seem to use their vapes (all cheap disposable) more like dummies. It seems to be the norm to start in Year 7 or even towards the end of Year 6.😬

They have. But it seems that far more are vaping than smoking. It seems easier to obtain.

I started smoking at 12

I use an elf bar elfa. It's rechargeable and takes pods. 8.99 for the device and 5.99 for a box of 2 pods. Works out a lot cheaper than buying the disposable ones. Just charges with a USB c cable.

Can’t see the issue myself op, I don’t have the same reaction as you, Vape is nothing like smoking inside.

@OhYouBadBadKitten er no but they are nearly everywhere you go in some form....as is perfume, body spray... all there to offend the delicate mumsnet noses

The notion that most vapers are smokers trying to quit or ex-smokers isn't entirely accurate in my opinion.

The majority of vapers I see are teenagers and young adults, the majority of whom I can bet have never smoked. I also know several adults who vape, yet never ever smoked, one of whom is a doctor.

I do not buy into the belief that vaping comes with no risks or side effects and don't believe that we know enough about them yet to make a call to say they're perfectly safe. I have heard lots of negative side effects about them in the media, but they've not been publicised widely enough in my opinion.

A bit of food for thought...:

"there has been an outbreak of lung injuries and deaths associated with vaping. In February 2020, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirmed 2,807 cases of e-cigarette or vaping use-associated lung injury (EVALI) and 68 deaths attributed to that condition."

And

"Research from The Johns Hopkins University on vape ingredients published in October 2021 reveals thousands of chemical ingredients in vape products, most of which are not yet identified. Among those the team could identify were several potentially harmful substances, including caffeine, three chemicals never previously found in e-cigarettes, a pesticide and two flavorings linked with possible toxic effects and respiratory irritation."

Source: www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/5-truths-you-need-to-know-about-vaping

@BananaHamhock but that's not the U.K...
there was a cluster of deaths which was to do with THC and vitamin E vaping, none of which are in U.K. E cigs, it's more heavily regulated here

I use a small brand I've used for years and it has 3 ingredients in, they have to fit certain standards before they're sold
Although there is always potential for people to add stupid stuff to their E liquid but then if people are adding vitamin E and vaping it, that's nobody's fault but their own!

I tried everything to quit and nothing worked. Bought an e cig and vaped pretty much constantly for 24hrs, then thought well I can't go back to cigarettes now. The stop smoking forum on here had some great threads at the time and I'm maybe 6/7 years now without smoking. I was on 30 a day, having smoked for 20 years when I quit

Nobody bothers about risks of nicotine gum or patches, or even the inhalers that have been about for years. It's like people just don't like vaping because they want to think it's as bad as smoking. I was told by someone smoking 40 a day that it was "just as bad for me"
Supporting vaping to smokers and all the evidence that it isn't as bad can save an awful lot of lives from smoking related diseases, and passive smoking

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/e-cigarettes-regulations-for-consumer-products

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/quit-smoking/using-e-cigarettes-to-stop-smoking/

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

far too small a study but several years from now, when effects start to be shown, larger studies will be done. Years ago people thought cigarettes were harmless, look how stupid they were.

www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/vaping-e-cigarettes-shown-to-be-more-harmful-to-lungs-than-smoking-cigarettes-new-study/ar-AA16S61k?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=1942a9395fa54233bd352df361dbc469