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To be terrified by the rapid progression of Artificial Intelligence?

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FlyRobinFly · 29/01/2023 01:30

These children in the 2 attached photos are not real, an AI was asked to generate an image of what Lisa and Maggie Simpson would have looked like had The Simpson’s been a live action 90s sitcom rather than a cartoon. Those children do not exist, an AI has generated those faces within a few seconds based on a prompt of a few words. The quality of the image is even just the right amount of distorted to look like the images have come from a 90s live action sitcom. It seems so real…and yet it’s not. Like a window into an alternate dimension or something.

I find it incredibly unsettling.

To be terrified by the rapid progression of Artificial Intelligence?
To be terrified by the rapid progression of Artificial Intelligence?
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FlyRobinFly · 29/01/2023 02:28

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 29/01/2023 02:24

They did an experiment with AI recently - self learning. Not surprisingly it was racist and sexist. Crap in crap out...

Ugh, so it’s not that bloody clever then. AI shouldn’t be able to be accessed by the Average Idiotic Joe. You just create oke mega AI influenced by the worst traits of many humans.

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FlyRobinFly · 29/01/2023 02:28

*one mega AI

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MrsTerryPratchett · 29/01/2023 02:31

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 29/01/2023 02:24

They did an experiment with AI recently - self learning. Not surprisingly it was racist and sexist. Crap in crap out...

This. That's what terrifies me. It's a tool which quickly learns to be a revolting racist incel. Probably because that's the internet is full of (and programmers are in the main white men).

Terminator but racist and sexist.

Ericaequites · 29/01/2023 02:33

ChatGPT will eventually eliminate lots of jobs. Why train young people in expository writing if a computer can do it all better? Expository writing teaches organization, executive functioning, and develops analytic skills. It’s tough to learn, and tedious to correct.

milkyaqua · 29/01/2023 02:35

I just read this and was stunned:

www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-29/artificial-intelligence-ai-videos-images-voices-music-2023/101874146

Yoppi · 29/01/2023 02:38

That TikTok is a marketing ploy -
vm.tiktok.com/ZMYLqSrg3/
vm.tiktok.com/ZMYLqaNje/

Please do your research people!

I'd hate it to be racist and sexist which has been found through trials, it can pull the worst from the internet and if Elon Musk is worried, I think that says a lot.

Yoppi · 29/01/2023 02:40

milkyaqua · 29/01/2023 02:35

It says a lot about the laziness of humans if we want to palm everything off on AI.

The voices is just Shock

MunchMunch · 29/01/2023 02:45

Sorry for the pic from Daily Mail but I saw this and along with all the other AI I'd worry for future generations! I'm sure good can come from AI but the bad stuff doesn't bear thinking about!

To be terrified by the rapid progression of Artificial Intelligence?
Blufelt · 29/01/2023 02:46

I actually use AI technology. It’s great! But it’s a tool like anything else, which requires a human to operate it. It’s like when artists panicked because photography was invented - it still requires a human to choose what to photograph. Or when computer drawing tools were invented - it helps you draw and line stuff up but still requires a human to decide what to draw and there is a level of skill involved.

AI is the same. It requires a human to decide what image to produce, what has artistic value. The AI generates images, and it might take hundreds of attempts to produce a good image. And it doesn’t know the difference between a good and bad image. Most times an artist will have to edit an AI image, fix the faults, maybe combine two or more images. Or rub a bit out and tell the AI to do it again. All of which requires an artistic eye and a level of skill.

What is actually happening is the democratisation of art. No longer is it restricted to those with specific physical skills in wielding a pencil. Now anyone with an idea can produce an image. Same as word processing allowed people who can’t do calligraphy to produce beautiful text. Same as spell checkers allowed people who can’t spell to write decently. Same as photography allowed people who can’t paint to capture a landscape. AI is just another tool.

Blufelt · 29/01/2023 02:49

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 29/01/2023 02:24

They did an experiment with AI recently - self learning. Not surprisingly it was racist and sexist. Crap in crap out...

It is trained on human knowledge from the internet. Humans are sexist and racist. So AI learns that from the training materials. If we want AI to be better, we need to be better.

atoxk · 29/01/2023 02:52

SeemsSoUnfair · 29/01/2023 02:03

Hate it too.

We had a presentation at work recently from a team that is working on AI and screens in stores with artifical product ambassadors that will interact with customers.

This is including cameras in the store that watch you interact with product displays and scan your facial expressions to see how you react to them then the AI thing will interact with you.

Horrible. What is wrong with employing real people who are passionate about products! I would activitely avoid a store with this technology.

That's for new stuff I would avoid.
Would you trust a person now adding up your shopping over a computer. So many supermarkets have self serve over people, and online shopping is more popular every day so people can avoid human interaction. Even ordering a takeaway people choose the internet over the phone.

Blufelt · 29/01/2023 02:52

FlyRobinFly · 29/01/2023 01:48

That’s given me chills in the worst way. At this rate soon entire photo-realistic TV shows (so indistinguishable from an actual filmed show with a cast of actors) will probably be AI produced. Music artists will be forgotten about in a midst of AI produced music with their style stealing their thunder. It’s terrifying.

Originals still have value. Lab created diamonds don’t have the same value as natural diamonds. And as for copying, it has ever been thus. Humans copy the style of other humans. That’s why stuff often comes with a certificate of authenticity.

Blufelt · 29/01/2023 02:57

FlyRobinFly · 29/01/2023 01:59

I wonder if we’ll ever get to a point where you can enter your name as an AI prompt and see what it comes out with, you’d have to have at least some public presence though surely.

I assume you’re talking about deepfake porn? If you are evil and want to do that to somebody all you need is a picture of them grabbed from Facebook. Already ruining lives. Horrid.

There is already software called Dreambooth which you can use to train the AI on a particular style of images or a particular person’s face. Once it knows who you are it can generate as many images as requested. I don’t think it’s an issue - humans will just learn to become more sceptical of the images they see. Authentication will become more important.

atoxk · 29/01/2023 02:59

@Blufelt where we have good humans there will always be bad, AI could be amazing and used for good, but anything in the wrong hand can be used as a weapon. There will be secret robotics labs all over the world furthering science. But just because we can doesn't mean we should

Quveas · 29/01/2023 03:04

Once Upon A Time... People laughed at Captain Kirk having a communications device that fitted in your pocket. I simply can't wait for holodecks. Once Upon A Time... People laughed a HG Wells for saying that ab human could go to the moon....

The future is nothing to be fearful of. What we might make of it - now that might be scary. As scary as the past. Despite some evidence to the contrary I choose to be optimistic, to have hope and not fear. It is not AI or the future that we need to worry about. Its ourselves.

pompomdaisy · 29/01/2023 04:31

I find Elon Musks reaction to the development of AI interesting. He probably feels geniuses like himself will be redundant and then he will never achieve his dream of being buried on Mars.

I'm on a maximalist design site on Facebook. Every now and again someone with post an AI created maximalist room and the reaction always tends to be that people hate it and recognise it's so extreme and lacking in human touches that it evokes negative reactions.

wherearerhou · 29/01/2023 04:39

NewNovember · 29/01/2023 01:35

This website has been around for years . I think it's fascinating
thispersondoesnotexist.com

How do they know that person doesn't exist though?

Hollyhocksauce · 29/01/2023 04:55

But it's only a matter of time before AI is used to programme and direct other AI - then with all the different elements coming together - voice, movement, intelligence, speed, creativity - it becomes outside of human control, right?

daisychain01 · 29/01/2023 05:06

wherearerhou · 29/01/2023 04:39

How do they know that person doesn't exist though?

They know the person doesn't exist because that specific image doesn't have a real live human being who has lived and breathed and walked on the earth. It's computer generated, so even if there's someone who looks very similar, a doppelgänger, which is highly likely, the image isn't of that computer generated image.

I'm sure good can come from AI but the bad stuff doesn't bear thinking about!

The same applies to the Internet itself. It has done amazing things for humankind, not least of all enabled the world to continue relatively successfully and businesses to continue operating during the pandemic, and yet Berners-Lee could not have imagined the degree of harm his invention has done - the Dark Web, Internet Porn, viruses and cybercrime etc etc.

Humans will always find ways to do good and bad with whatever it creates.

There is a branch of research on ethical computing which seeks to understand and expose how computing approaches like AI cause harm, such as computers being 'trained' to make decisions that are unethical (insurance and banking being one example).

DogDaysNeverEnd · 29/01/2023 06:14

You may be crediting AI with more of the I then is justified. There's a good blog and book all about the realities www.aiweirdness.com/

The comparison with the invention of photography is a good way to think of it, or movies and special effects. Deep fakes are a worry, but propaganda has always been so it seems like a normal evolution of the sophistication of that. Still, would hate to watch a video of myself saying things I didn't say.

Lemme · 29/01/2023 06:44

There has long been a shortage of women in the Ai industry. Make sure your daughters know of the sector and hopefully more women will enter it!

Norachance · 29/01/2023 07:25

I have been using Lensa since I read an article about it. I find it fascinating. For those who haven't tried it you put in 10 pictures of yourself (or whoever) then ai generates 100 pictures. Some are so uncannily real it's amazing. Pictures in the style of an oil painting are especially good. Pictures that make you look like a character in a computer game, medieval, cyborg etc. There's an aspect that makes you feel good about yourself because it tends to pick up and enhance your features.
Ai does seem to have suddenly taken off and become accessible to all.

Greentree1 · 29/01/2023 07:27

All it's done is merge lots of pictures of cute children to get a new one, may even be virtually identical to an actual child if it found an image it thought fit the brief. Artists have always had the freedom to put 'made up' people in paintings and often at least made real individuals (who were paying for the work) look more attractive than they were. Nothing new although clever programming. CGI in films is amazing now.

GingerScallop · 29/01/2023 07:45

like most technology there is good and bad. My DH's cousin has schizophrenia and it's not easy for him or for family. And not easy to get him on the right meds. I imagine him having a microchip that is constantly calculating his meds and giving him the right mix and the right time, allowing him to live life to the fullest.

Basic(ISH) AI has tripled the number of stroke patients that recover daily function from 16% to 48%. I wish my sister had had access to such revolutionary care.
AI can radically change cancer care.

In terms of replacing humans, I wish it could replace my country's politicians (and quite frankly, this country's too). Imagine PresidentAI-Compassion that calculates levels of poverty, urgent health and social care needs etc and redirects resources proportionally, and that's programmed avoid conflict and to not lie

mumda · 29/01/2023 07:50

Drawing is simple. Terminator style robots aren't going to draw you to death.

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