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Teacher strikes and work plans

142 replies

Yellowcoffeecup · 27/01/2023 17:55

Not sure who to be pissed off with teachers or work colleagues.

Big face to face team meeting next Wednesday. Whole morning.

Been in diary for couple of months.

Due to teachers strike colleagues now saying they can't make the meeting. They're saying they can't join on line either because of distraction by their children.

Fine - take a days annual leave or make alternative arrangements for your children.

Not a meeting to easily rearrange.

AIBU to be pissed with teachers ?
AIBU to be pissed with colleagues ?
AIBU all round ?

OP posts:
MarshaBradyo · 28/01/2023 18:31

Forever42 · 28/01/2023 18:16

It's one-off days so not at all comparable to the pandemic where people were trying to work months on end with children at home. I wouldn't have thought it was that difficult to rearrange one two-hour meeting so that for a single day parents can wfh on tasks where it doesn't matter so much if they are briefly interrupted from time to time and put the meeting on a day when there are no strikes. Presumably some businesses would have rearranged in-person meetings on days when train strikes might have affected staff getting in.

However, as a striking teacher, inconvenience is the point. Please write to your MP and tell them how your business is affected. The more disruption they see, the better it is to get our point across about how the country cannot function properly without enough teachers.

I don’t really get the meeting part. I can’t imagine being paid to work but just not doing it.

It’s not easy to get quick notice cc here though and given the amount of working parents organising a meet up I’d say they’ve taken AL instead.

My comment was more generally re the line school is not childcare which is very irritating and pointless more than my situation. We’ve been very lucky and lightly affected by strikes so no need to write to MP. Although I did when schools were closed during pandemic. Labour MP so it didn’t do much.

Highabovethetrees · 28/01/2023 18:34

AutumnColour89 · 27/01/2023 20:17

Agree with OP and @Waterlooville. Yes I get the point be angry at the government etc etc- but if you are minding your children you are not working.
I co-wrote our organisation's hybrid working policy, and it's clearly outlined.

Our (Civil Service and very flexible) department is very clear- the option of working from home is not intended to save those with children money on childcare or act as a back up. If you do not have suitable childcare, you need to take appropriate leave, as you will not be in a suitable working environment otherwise.

This is not an emergency; the strike dates have been provided with plenty of notice.

It's all very well saying that employees need to find alternative childcare, but even with 'notice' (though to be honest, we only had an email on Thursday from the school saying that they were hoping to remain open, but that it might change!), would you care to provide a list of some alternatives? No family support, most other parents are in exactly the same position, I don't imagine childminders would randomly have a spare random one-off slot....

Highabovethetrees · 28/01/2023 18:38

stitchinguru · 28/01/2023 18:03

Please OP - tell us (just in a nutshell) what the objectives/focus of your meeting are?
I’d love to know.

😁 Me too!

Highabovethetrees · 28/01/2023 18:40

Yellowcoffeecup · 28/01/2023 13:27

I'm not asking them to take a days leave to attend meeting.

They are saying that they basically cannot work that day , can't attend f2f or attend virtually - so therefore take a days leave.

But how does that help the meeting go ahead if they all have to take leave? So many people have pointed that out to you, but you don't seem to have answered it...

jputthekettleon · 28/01/2023 18:46

We’ve had word from our school it’s staying open, so these colleagues may find themselves in the same situation and this becomes a non issue.
I need to save my leave for school holidays I don’t have enough left to book leave for strikes.

If our school does close at last minute (as teachers can change their mind) I have to try and work from home with kids at home. I’ll do my best and I’m lucky I can do that. A meeting would be difficult but there’s always screen time.

Mariposa26 · 28/01/2023 18:57

Highabovethetrees · 28/01/2023 18:40

But how does that help the meeting go ahead if they all have to take leave? So many people have pointed that out to you, but you don't seem to have answered it...

I would still love to know this, it’s very confusing.

WineDup · 28/01/2023 19:03

Yellowcoffeecup · 28/01/2023 10:59

The world doesn't revolve around teachers what they do in the classroom

Except you are kind of proving it does, aren’t you?

Teachers don’t want sympathy, we literally don’t care if the public are behind us or not, because we know they never are.

Yellowcoffeecup · 28/01/2023 19:23

To all you that wonder , as it seems an issue , meeting will not go ahead as people can't attend either in person or virtually because of children.

If they don't take annual leave then they should be working from home - ( yeah right ! Hmm)

OP posts:
Blabla81 · 28/01/2023 19:31

Yellowcoffeecup · 28/01/2023 10:59

The world doesn't revolve around teachers what they do in the classroom

The entire county would fall apart without teachers, which strikes basically prove. No teachers = no “childcare” and no one being able to go to work. Teachers are leaving the profession in their droves and not enough people are going into teaching. The future of our education system is looking bleaker and bleaker. These strikes are providing a snippet of how life could actually be if things carry on the way they are. So basically, yes, the world does actually revolve around what teachers do in the classroom. Quite an ironic comment.

XelaM · 28/01/2023 19:48

Yellowcoffeecup · 28/01/2023 19:23

To all you that wonder , as it seems an issue , meeting will not go ahead as people can't attend either in person or virtually because of children.

If they don't take annual leave then they should be working from home - ( yeah right ! Hmm)

You sound like a terrible boss.

I'm way more productive working from home than in the office.

echt · 28/01/2023 20:19

Yellowcoffeecup · 28/01/2023 19:23

To all you that wonder , as it seems an issue , meeting will not go ahead as people can't attend either in person or virtually because of children.

If they don't take annual leave then they should be working from home - ( yeah right ! Hmm)

God, you're coming over as the boss from hell. No trust, all sneering and vindictive.

As your meeting won't be going ahead, now's the opportunity to re-visit and see what can be sent out as pre-meeting notes, etc. so you can cut down on the meeting time and everyone can be more productive.

Seriously, a whole morning meeting is never going to be useful.

whittingtonmum · 28/01/2023 20:21

Idrinklotsofcoffee · 27/01/2023 18:06

THE GOVERNMENT!

Spot on.

EdithWeston · 28/01/2023 20:22

Yes, if they cannot make childcare arrangements (and the notice period for the strike means emergency parental leave does not apply) then it should be either annual or unpaid leave.

Digimoor · 28/01/2023 20:30

There's a national train strike too so not a great day to try and get anything done tbh

NorthStarRising · 28/01/2023 20:40

You sound like management. Inflexible, solipsistic and tantruming when the universe doesn’t spin the way you want it to.
Tell your staff to stop being pathetic and get their partners to take the day off and deal with their children. That the meeting is essential and there will Be Consequences for anyone bunking off.
Read the book SLT Newbie for further tips.
www.amazon.co.uk/Hi-all-Thanks-Emails-school/dp/B09XZDLB2T/ref=sr_1_1?crid=WS2P7UVSQEFS&keywords=slt+newbie&qid=1674938357&s=digital-text&sprefix=SLT+%2Cdigital-text%2C71&sr=1-1-catcorr

youshouldnthaveasked · 28/01/2023 20:58

Yellowcoffeecup · 28/01/2023 19:23

To all you that wonder , as it seems an issue , meeting will not go ahead as people can't attend either in person or virtually because of children.

If they don't take annual leave then they should be working from home - ( yeah right ! Hmm)

You have zero respect for your employees. That’s perfectly clear! My boss has been absolutely brilliant, has told all of us not to worry, and if we need to work from home trusts and respects us to do our job. It’s a two way thing, goodwill.

The way you speak about your colleagues and teachers makes me believe you are just not a nice person, and I’d hate to sit through one of your meetings.

stitchinguru · 28/01/2023 21:08

I completely agree with PP about the nature of this ‘boss’.
I’d also like to suggest how unprofessional it is to ‘share’ her feelings about colleagues on a public forum.
I hope the employees pay her compassion forwards with shit performance!

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