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To ask how to reconnect better with my 6yo DD?

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 26/01/2023 12:24

I have two DD, 6 and 2. Youngest is a bit of a handful but very jolly. Eldest is clever, sensitive, highly strung. We used to have an incredibly tight bond when she was a baby/toddler (I freely admit to myself I am a LOT better with the baby stage than the young child bit). She was and still is a mummy's girl.

Things started to slip a bit with eldest when she was about 3.5, probably exacerbated by covid and having to juggle her care at home with our jobs for long periods. I found her becoming really hard work with tantrums, relentless talking and demands, refusal to do anything without an argument etc. She is a lot better for my DP, who SUCKED at the baby/toddler bit (no patience, short fuse, resentment) but is a great parent for an young kid - very steady, very firm, doesn't get his buttons pushed the way I do.

Since DD2 came along, I've really struggled to maintain bond with eldest - the thing we bond over most is her little sister, as eldest is 99% of the time a FANTASTIC sibling. I didn't expect this as she was such a consuming only child, I thought she'd be resentful of losing the limelight but actually she loves her sister and is so patient, so caring.

But of course DD1 and I get almost no 121 time now (partner as I say is awful with the baby stage so DD2 largely falls to me, although this is changing as we approach 2 and she can walk, talk and be reasoned with to some extent). The only time we are alone together is either when DD2 is napping (which is less and less as she gets older) or every other night at bedtime as DP and I alternate the girls.

Unfortunately at bedtime when she's tired her behaviour is so so challenging - loud, wild, extremely physical, lots of climbing on me, banging around, hurting herself on things and then screaming the house down, refusing to go up to the bath, refusing to get out of the bath, refusing to get in her pyjamas, refusing to read her reading book, and on and on so we can never get to the 'nice' part of the evening where we talk, make up stories, cuddle in bed. She talks on an on, doesn't listen, interrupts, and I get frustrated - I try so hard not to but I do.

I feel like all I ever do is scold her, and all she ever does is sulk, shout and complain - it's no fun for her or me and I so so miss being her loving mummy and seeing her happy. I find my interactions with her feel really perfunctory ("how do I deal with this?" instead of engaged and loving, probably because there's always DD2 to contend with as well and also because it's only ever a matter of time, no matter how hard I'm trying to give her what she wants/needs, that she'll blow up and start complaining and everything escalates from there.

HELP, more experienced mums - how do I carve out time for her? When we get time together how do I reconnect? How to head off tantrums without responding negatively and getting into an argumentative spiral?

I absolutely love her, she's such a wonderful kid - I just wish we had more time, and that we BOTH had a bit more fun with each other when we do!

Every other adult in her life says what a sweet, funny girl she is, and I know it's true - just don't know why whenever she's with me her behaviour deteriorates so badly!

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Lastqueenofscotland2 · 26/01/2023 13:17

A lot of people hate the baby/ toddler phase, toddlers are bloody awful. I’d insist that your DP has the youngest for even an hour a week and take your DD to the park, to a cafe, whatever but make sure you’re making that time for her

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 26/01/2023 13:26

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 26/01/2023 13:17

A lot of people hate the baby/ toddler phase, toddlers are bloody awful. I’d insist that your DP has the youngest for even an hour a week and take your DD to the park, to a cafe, whatever but make sure you’re making that time for her

See I love babies/toddlers - because their needs are pretty straightforward, and their frustrations are so understandable! All you really have to do is love them and ride it out most of the time, everything passes off, and things always change. Whereas the 3-6 bracket is killing me because they become so complicated, and habits/cycles form that are so difficult to break! My DD is very rigid, very exacting, even a small deviation from the norm or what she expects can be so problematic (think I got up earlier than she did so she can't get in my bed like normal, or the wrong spoon at breakfast). It's bloody exhausting trying to anticipate what will cause the blowup this morning and head it off, only to find it's something I hadn't even considered and it happens anyway!

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 26/01/2023 13:30

The other thing is that even if bedtime has gone as well as we could ever expect, when it comes to the bit where I have to go she always, invariably, begins to cry and strop, calls me back a million times, gets RAGING if I eventually just draw a line and leave while she's still mid waffle and won't stop. There are always, always tears. She never does this with her dad, just says goodnight at the allotted time and settles down. Which drives me crazy because it feels unfair that I get such a hard time when I try so much harder: his routine with her is bath, teeth, pyjamas, hair, quick game, reading (her to him then him to her), then goodnight. Ours has developed into this complicated rigmarole of all that, then a made up story, then 'silly cuddles' (bloody exhausting series of prescribed cuddle types she has devised), then 15 mins of trying to get out of the room while she screams at me not to. My sensible head tells me this is because she is wanting to prolong time with me - but I don't get why when it's so bloody contentious and full of disagreements!

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Dacadactyl · 26/01/2023 13:32

I think she feels your frustration and that you don't particularly "like" her at the minute. She is acting out because she wants more attention during the day. That's my take on it anyway.

3cats2kids1dog · 26/01/2023 13:33

i also think that this is a smart 6 year old testing boundaries...

Picklesbaby · 26/01/2023 13:53

You have just described my 6yr old dd & have a 2 year ds. I was looking back at pictures of days out and thought how much I miss my happy smiling girl. Her attitude has completely changed, even asked the teacher if she might be being bullied but nope . I feel such guilt all our time is spent arguing or “ telling off “Following for advice !

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 26/01/2023 13:53

Dacadactyl · 26/01/2023 13:32

I think she feels your frustration and that you don't particularly "like" her at the minute. She is acting out because she wants more attention during the day. That's my take on it anyway.

Oh man I do like her. I'm sorry if it comes across that way. I love her to bits. She's such a special person and I honestly just want her to be happy and OK. Maybe more invested in that than is good for either of us, which is making what is probably normal 6yo boundary-pushing a lot harder than it should be!

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 26/01/2023 13:54

Picklesbaby · 26/01/2023 13:53

You have just described my 6yr old dd & have a 2 year ds. I was looking back at pictures of days out and thought how much I miss my happy smiling girl. Her attitude has completely changed, even asked the teacher if she might be being bullied but nope . I feel such guilt all our time is spent arguing or “ telling off “Following for advice !

Un-mumsnetty hug. Glad it's not just me!

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Dacadactyl · 26/01/2023 13:54

@MaybeIWillFuckOffThen I put "like" inverted commas because I know you like her and love her. But if you feel a disconnect, I'd bet my house she can feel it too.

Whitewolf2 · 26/01/2023 14:06

I think taking 6 year old out alone is the only way to really get that one on one time.
Perhaps try something less stressful than swimming, do you have a local garden center, museum or farm park you can walk round and get a slice of cake, or a climbing wall or pottery place? It can be very frustrating having the little sibling get all the attention as they often naturally do when you’re all at home.

waterrat · 26/01/2023 14:29

Thie is v normal when you have two and one is essentially a baby...if you are honest with yourself are you even subconsciously holding on to the baby time because its easier ? Toddlers are tiring but the youngest often seems simpler to deal with..less emotioj less back chat !

I read your description of wanting to get to the nice bit of bedtime and wonder if you are expecting your six year old to be easier than is realistic ? Maybe there isnt alwaysa a sweet rose tinted bedtime...

I have never liked bedtime particularly and veered towards encouraging my kids to have quiet time in their beds with toys and audio books to wind down rather than lots of input from me

If she is hyper at night how about some walks round the block before bedtime...

My daughter used to really love that at about 5or 6. In winter we looked at fairy lights etc or sometimes we ald just enjoy being out in the dark for 20 minutes it was like a little adventure....can even just put coat over pajamas

waterrat · 26/01/2023 14:32

Oh another thought remembering my eldest when he was 6...in year 2. Year 2is a nightmare for some kids...huge ramp up in formal learning.

My son ..who at 10 is now a totally focused learner...used to come out of school and sob shout kick me....i realised he was just totally overwhelmed by the demands of school

I promise the phase ended...as he grew up and could fit more into the demands of our crappy education system.

Maybe lower your expectations of after school bedtimes..its.classic for an overwhelmed child to take all that supressed energy from the school day out once home

Stompythedinosaur · 27/01/2023 20:14

You need more 1:1 time with your eldest. Your dh needs to stop being a baby and look after his younger dc (who he also needs more 1:1 time with).

You need time to do something nice together - go swimming or to the park maybe. Don't make it about their sibling. If the first few times are difficult, don't give up, it will get better.

nutbrownhare15 · 27/01/2023 20:26

She wants more connection with you by the sound of it. So specific time out of the house with you every weekend, and try to carve out some quality 1-1 time with her every day, aim for 20 minutes. Reading a book, cooking something together, jigsaw. The website ahaparenting.com is great and focuses on connection. An as an aside I still stay with my 7 year old as she goes to sleep. It's my favourite time of day, is great for connecting and it doesn't take her that long to go to sleep either. I'll give her a head massage if it's taking a little while for her to drift off. She wants you to stay with her, you want to connect with her, so I would just stay.

nutbrownhare15 · 27/01/2023 20:26

She wants more connection with you by the sound of it. So specific time out of the house with you every weekend, and try to carve out some quality 1-1 time with her every day, aim for 20 minutes. Reading a book, cooking something together, jigsaw. The website ahaparenting.com is great and focuses on connection. An as an aside I still stay with my 7 year old as she goes to sleep. It's my favourite time of day, is great for connecting and it doesn't take her that long to go to sleep either. I'll give her a head massage if it's taking a little while for her to drift off. She wants you to stay with her, you want to connect with her, so I would just stay.

MassiveSalad22 · 27/01/2023 20:29

Sounds like my 7yo DS - haven’t read the whole thread but we do some of these activities (pictured) every so often and behaviour really improves after that 1:1 time. You have a good age gap for 1:1 if your DH can pull his finger out for an hour or 2 and look after the baby!

To ask how to reconnect better with my 6yo DD?
onestarrynight · 27/01/2023 20:40

If bedtimes are a flashpoint with you but she will co-operate with DH then I'd probably experiment with getting him to do the grunt work of bedtime (bath, teeth etc) while you get DD2 ready. Then you swap over, he reads to DD2 while you come in and do bedtime stories and cuddles at the end with DD1 when she is hopefully calmer and all the exhausting/boring bits (exhausting/boring for her when she is so tired, I mean) are out of the way. It doesn't need to be a permanent arrangement, but it might remove a temporary difficulty? I don't think there's any harm in playing to your strengths as a couple - if you are good with toddlers and DH is good with young children then why not wrangle the one you're each best with at bedtime and then swap over for story time? That way you both spend time with each child before bed, and neither of you is being run ragged.

nosyupnorth · 27/01/2023 20:55

You need to accept that she's growing into a person with preferences, opinions, and thoughts she wants to express and needs teaching how to do things like regulate her emotions and communicate effectively and stop expecting to be able to treat her like a baby/doll that is there to passively accept cuddles at a time that is convenient for you.

It's really worrying how repeatedly and angrily you complain about her talking. You need to deal with those issues now, because newsflash your two year old isn't going to stay at the convenient baby phase forever and sooner or later they are going to be 😨talking!!

Wallywobbles · 27/01/2023 21:10

20 minutes alone no interruptions with her in bed before lights out. For her to tell you what's on her mind. It's a specific time for her. Only her. I found DD1s behavior really improved with this.

spinachmonster · 27/01/2023 21:55

I just discovered the 'Peace and Parenting' podcast- by a woman called Michelle- it's BRILLIANT! Recommend listening from episode 1.

She says every day do 'special time'
20 mins a day, or if not, 10 or even 5
Set Alexa or another timer
1:1 you and the kid
No screens
No sugar
You do what the child wants. /just be with them focusing on them.

I began this cos I needed badly to change things and it felt like another chore in theory, until I did it and now it's the HIGHLIGHT of my day (the days I manage it- not every day.) highly recommend it.

pennysays · 27/01/2023 23:17

Agree with others about ‘special time’. I try to do 10 minutes uninterrupted attention first thing and in the evening.

It also sounds like your tank is a bit empty. We are less tolerate/ patient when we are more worn out ourselves. What are you doing for you? When is your break? You might need to carve out a bit more time to restore your energy so you can come to difficult situations with not energy.

Lots of other great ideas so far about mixing it up. I’d also suggest the idea of ‘contracts’ which you draw up together about how things might work to make them better… e.g mummy promises to do x and y in the morning and DD promises to do a and b. And the rules for the morning are…. Keep it live and refer to it often

WeightoftheWorld · 27/01/2023 23:29

I haven't RTFT yet as am about to go to bed, but I wanted to placemark for ideas sorry OP. My eldest is 4.5 and sounds basically exactly the same as your eldest. Except she was a really difficult, emotional baby too, so it's always been tough. We have a 1yo who whilst I wouldn't say has been the definition of an 'easy' baby so far, is still much much easier than my eldest ever was (so far!). I feel you with the constant arguments, the bed times, the lack of 1-2-1 time. However, this latter has improved slowly since I stopped breastfeeding youngest at 10 months. Occasionally on the weekends I would do something just me and eldest, mostly when the little one is unwell, which has been A LOT of the time over the autumn and winter tbh. For example last weekend me and her went to a cafe she loves and had been asking to go to for months, for lunch just us two. The first time we've ever had lunch out just me and her. Also pottered in a few shops together. She honestly even likes just going to buy bread at the shop if it's just me and her. This weekend I'm taking her to meet one of her friends and go bowling and have lunch after too, DH will do something else with DS maybe take him to see some of his family or something. We don't split up every weekend by any means but I definitely think it's important that we do try to carve some 1-2-1 time both of us with both our kids as individuals.

Mumwho · 27/01/2023 23:30

We schedule a girls day every few months. Dd7 really looks forward to us spending this time together. Plenty of warning given to OH that he's got to entertain our 2 boys. We usually just go shopping, have lunch and she gets a mini manicure. Its so nice to reconnect to her, she's growing up so quickly and I look forward to our girls days just as much as she does.

MuggleMe · 28/01/2023 15:33

I'd be aiming to be out for a couple of hours every weekend of two with her, perhaps go to a cafe with her or library where you can chat etc. Dh can step up and look after dd2.

CrescentMoons · 28/01/2023 15:38

Do something with her out of the house just you and her. Horseriding is good. (Not something like swimming unless she really enjoys it). My eldest and I have reading evenings. Just take some time with her knitting and crafting are good or drawing

your husbands needs to facilitate it. We also still play a game hold hands and you squeeze once and she does it back then two quick squeezes and so on - a bit like memory