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Future care of parents

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Ofnointerest · 25/01/2023 09:31

its long, but wanted to provide context and avoid allegations of drip feeding…

My husband and I are in our early forties and have been together for over 20 years, married for more than 15. We live in the capital city of our state (non uk) which is about an hour a half east of my family and just under two hours north west of his. We both left home to go to University and neither has had any financial support from our families since.

We do not have, and never wanted to have kids.

Financially, we are comfortable, and so are our parents. Both sets of parents are retired and have been for at least 5 years. No major medical issues.

We each have a younger sister (also in their forties) who have stayed in the hometown and have children now aged between 6-10.

Both sets of parents have been very supportive and involved with grandkids. Each doing at least a days childcare every week when they were young, being on call for pickups when they were sick so that sisters could keep working, bought new cars so they could accomodate car seats for school pick ups, drop offs, ferrying to hobbies and appointments. They usually go on holidays to lend a hand and also split the costs, and also pay for the kids to attend private school (about $15k a kid each year). We absolutely don’t begrudge anyone this and also make an effort to attend birthday parties, send gifts and arrange special treats and visits in our city for our parents, sisters and their kids.

With no kids and living outside our hometowns, the amount of parental interest and support we have received is quite different.
We’ve moved house a few times in the last 20 years and after asking for help once and receiving a long list of why it was not possible, never asked again (they were all physically very fit and active and capable of driving etc - and mostly it would have been nice to have help unpacking and sorting rather than carrying heavy things - which we had already booked a professional for) Both times my sister, moved it was all hands on deck and my mother in law still does school pick ups, organises dinner and washing 3 nights a week for SIL.

They visit very occasionally.
My parents have come once in the last 12 months and his mother visited in November. Obviously no visits during the pandemic, but in the five years prior to 2020 the combined visits between them would be less than 5. My parents travel extensively overseas, and his spend a lot of time travelling interstate, so mobility is not an issue.

Husband broke his leg badly last year and was on bedrest for a month and on crutches for 6 weeks after that. Nobody visited, or asked if there was anything they could help with. I’ve been in and out of hospital over the last 5 years with a recurring illness. No visits, texts or calls ever come. If we ever mention it, they always have a reason they can’t help.

It was my birthday last week and my parents sent flowers. I’ve not heard from my in-laws yet. They have form for forgetting. The last time I got a present was probably 15 years ago. More often than not I get a text message a few weeks later. In the early days, husband told them it was rude to not send a text and the least they could do was set a reminder on their phones, but we’ve given up now.

Calls are initiated by us. Often it takes my in-laws several days to respond (they don’t seem to grasp that you can take mobiles with you) and my parents are always doing something else when we call that can’t be paused - like tidying out the pantry - so we never have their full attention.

I have to have quite major surgery in the next few months that will leave me bedridden and needing support for a few weeks and we know that no support will be offered beyond a text message.

There’s no nastiness, but equally there’s clearly no interest or effort when it comes to us and that is hurtful. We’ve raised it in the past but neither set of parents seems to think there is an issue. I know that they are all still disappointed that we a) moved away and b) didn’t have kids.

Other friends of ours are now navigating their parents needing more hands on support or moving into care and husband and I have decided that when the time comes,
the responsibility for that (logistically, not financially) will sit with our sisters.

They’ve had the benefits of on hand care and day to day practical and financial support for over a decade already.

Without being petty, and we certainly wouldn’t leave anyone destitute or to struggle (which wouldn’t happen) but given we’ve largely been ignored for the last 20 years with limited effort or interest shown in our lives, we don’t think it’s fair for the responsibility to fall to us.

Both our sisters are a bit scatterbrained and co-dependent with mildly useless husbands, whereas we are both more organised and better at planning and navigating things, so perhaps it would be expected of us.

So are we being unreasonable to feel like this?

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Mindymomo · 25/01/2023 09:45

It’s probably because you both are self sufficient that both sets of parents probably think you don’t need them as much as your siblings do. Before we had children, we only saw my parents and in laws at Christmas or birthdays and couldn’t believe my MIL wanted to come around so much when I had my first child and even suggested working part time so I could return to my work part time and that she would have baby. You are right in that when the time comes for your parents needing help that they will look to you for this.

JudgeRudy · 25/01/2023 09:53

Has someone said you're unreasonable? It seems an odd question to ask atm.
Your siblings have a different relationship with your parents and will give (and take) in different ways. They're local and they have children who are a big part of your parents lives. I don't think anyone has done anything wrong but I can see it might be a bit hurtful to feel like you're not that important to them on a day to day basis, but isn't this how you feel about them?
I think as your parents age, all things being equal your sisters likely will do more for them. This will include a host of little acts of kindness you won't see or hear about.

Ofnointerest · 25/01/2023 09:57

Thank you for your input. Certainly nobody has said we’re unreasonable, mostly because it’s not something we’ve discussed outside ourselves, I was just interested in how it might be interpreted by others. I can certainly appreciate the day to day relationship is different, it’s just a little upsetting when there seems like no effort or interest in us at all.

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Ofnointerest · 25/01/2023 10:00

I guess it also feels like we make more effort to call (they never call us) visit (we visit each side multiple times a year) or when they need help or it’s a special occasion.

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purpleboy · 25/01/2023 10:04

YANBU their lack of interest over the years has been obvious to you. So it's not unreasonable for you to show the same level of interest in them.

Waterlooville · 25/01/2023 10:07

Your relationships are just different. I agree noone is doing anything wrong. I don't think you'd be expected to be the main carers, it's a little odd to think you would be 🤷‍♀️ Being local makes a massive difference. I wouldn't really want to drive 4 hours in a day. They have to come and stay with you to see you. It's a different ball game to babysitting for a few hours in your own home or popping in whilst passing for a coffee.

rookiemere · 25/01/2023 10:11

I would see how you feel when the time comes.

I'm an only so have no option of stepping back when the time comes, but equally my DPs are 89 and 84 and still pretty much self sufficient.

I do think sometimes it's unhealthy for people to step up and start doing loads before it's absolutely needed as then the elderly person becomes dependent.

You also need to be able to live with your own conscience. It's easy enough to have a stance now, far harder when a crunch decision arrives and it may be that you do use your organisational skills and slight emotional detachment to focus on that aspect of care from a distance and the closer families do the hands on stuff.

Ofnointerest · 25/01/2023 10:18

Interesting. When we visit it’s a day trip and they think nothing of driving to the other side of the state for other things. My parents regularly come to our city for theatre and concerts and drive back the same day.

Also, as mentioned our sisters are fairly scatterbrained and both have made comments in the past about how we should take the lead in organising different things because we don’t have any demands on our time… so it wouldn’t be unexpected to have this fall on us as well.

In terms of conscience, I guess our parents have been fine with not helping us when we’re seriously ill or injured, they’ve spent 10s of thousands of dollars helping our sisters and struggle to send a text on our birthdays. We’re not planning on leaving them in squalor, just expecting the responsibility for managing their care to sit with the children who have benefited significantly from their help over the last decade plus.

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Snoopysimaginaryfriend · 25/01/2023 10:21

YANBU if you don’t want to help then don’t.

You don’t seem to like your parents or sisters very much. Perhaps they sense that and just don’t want to bother you?

Ofnointerest · 25/01/2023 10:25

I do care about them very much. I think the discussion over the last few days has just bought a lot of things up and I’m feeling a bit sad and hurt. Over the years it’s just become increasingly clear that we don’t matter and they have no interest in our lives or helping us.

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BeExcellent2EachOther · 25/01/2023 10:36

To those who are suggesting no one will be looking to the OP and her DH to play a caring role to their DPs, you may be surprised.

We have a similar set up and now the time has come where more help is needed, both the sisters and the parents are looking at us to give help, more help in fact than the siblings who received the financial, emotional and practical support, because we are the "capable ones".

All I would say is lots can happen between now and the care-needing stage and it really is a bridge you just have to cross when you get to it.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 25/01/2023 10:55

You cannot dictate how much your sisters do. Equally, neither they nor your parents can dictate what you do.

Set your personal boundaries, and let everyone else sort themselves out.

EL8888 · 25/01/2023 11:00

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 25/01/2023 10:55

You cannot dictate how much your sisters do. Equally, neither they nor your parents can dictate what you do.

Set your personal boundaries, and let everyone else sort themselves out.

This basically. It’s fine for you to not swoop in to deal with your parents in their dotage. They do sound rather self absorbed and haven’t put much effort in with you or your husband. But it isn’t your place to start dictating what siblings do or don’t do -even though they sound more liable than you

KangarooKenny · 25/01/2023 11:04

It doesn’t matter who has done what for who, IMO you were not born to be your parents carer. You do what you want to do.

rookiemere · 25/01/2023 11:06

How often do you visit them ?

I wonder if their lack of interest and visits is because their plates are full with DGCs.

I also think it may not occur to them that you'd need help after operations and moving house because you don't have dependent DCs to throw into the mix.

Also as an adult it does seem slightly petty to be annoyed that ILs didn't send a birthday card - sorry.

Have you tried talking to them. Not in accusatory way more "Mum and Dad realised we've not seen you since November. Why don't you give us a shout next time you're in our town and we can meet for dinner "

I'd also suggest that they get power of attorney with another sibling in charge of it as you can't know their day to day needs.

Ofnointerest · 25/01/2023 11:18

Thanks for all the insights.

We visit monthly (my parents) his parents maybe 4 times a year.

Definitely don’t expect a card from in-laws. A text or fb message would be more than enough. They obviously do expect presents, acknowledgement and us to come visit them for birthdays - and to make cake.

Have tried the conversations over the years - like the time mum and my sister came to town for dinner and a concert and put it all over Facebook but didn’t mention it to me… (I said I would have loved to meet them for dinner)they don’t see the issue, so we see no benefit in pushing it.

I suspect that both sets of parents also enjoy the level of involvement and influence they have over sisters and their families - which was never going to happen with us, even if we did have kids.

I guess it’s two separate things… the realisation that our parents really aren’t that interested in us and then thinking about what that might do to influence the expectations we/they have as they need more support.

An excellent point also made about about not being able to dictate what our siblings do. That’s really helpful framing. We’re in charge of what we decide to do or not do… everything else is out of our hands.

Thank you

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maxelly · 25/01/2023 11:22

I think the thing at the moment is that you don't know what the 'this' you're saying you won't be responsible for is, you don't know what positions financially and logistically everyone involved will be in and you don't know how everyone is going to feel about it. There's a tendency on forums like this if you post asking questions about care of elderly parents for the responses you get to be from people who've either been very personally involved in the care of their parents who've been quite unwell/dependent or from people who've actively chosen to absent themselves (because those are the people who will have a strong opinion/experiences to share) - so you can get a quite false binary position that your choices are to become the totally dedicated near-full-time carer or go effectively no contact and offer nothing at all.

Whereas in real life situations are obviously much more nuanced, not everyone is either totally healthy and independent or completely stricken with severe dementia requiring 24/7 assistance, not all care has to be life-consuming and difficult for the carer- for all you know your parents might make it to 90 totally independently, or, sadly, could die very suddenly or of a very short illness, in either scenario requiring very little care at all. Or they could have planned to sort their own care out entirely by moving themselves into assisted living at 70, or your sisters/SIL could have it totally sorted (this can be particularly the case if by the time care needs role around their kids are grown up and have left home (but don't yet have kids of their own), someone who has built their life around caring for others can be very willing to step up to the carer role in that scenario even if they previously seemed flaky or unwilling, not always and everyone of course but it can happen), or everyone could be in a totally different living/geographic situation by the time the question arises. And if the worse does happen, and they are in dire need/being neglected and your sisters totally fail to come through (unlikely to happen I'd say), you could find it's not really as easy as saying 'well you didn't help me so now I'm not helping you'.

What I'm saying is not that you are UR to feel the way you do, the way your parents have treated you does sound hurtful frankly, but it sounds a bit of though you are preemptively revenging yourself on them by refusing help they may or may not even need. I would say don't tie yourself in knots trying to plan for how you'll react to certain scenarios which may never occur and certainly don't kick of any family arguments or anything about hypothetical future scenarios, if you want to kick off a row I'd be honest and say you're feeling hurt about their lack of interest in you and your lives compared to sisters. But for me I'd say you don't need the drama right now, focus on you, your DH and your recovery now Flowers and worry about the future later...

rookiemere · 25/01/2023 11:23

I'm sorry they do seem very disinterested and agree it's wrong to ignore your birthday if they expect fanfares and presents on their own.

Glorianna · 25/01/2023 11:26

They obviously do expect presents, acknowledgement and us to come visit them for birthdays - and to make cake.

why do you do all this, OP? I'd be taking step back from all this and them.

Why are you making their cakes?!

Ofnointerest · 25/01/2023 11:37

Thank you all again. Yes I’ve gotten fairly far ahead of myself and suspect it’s just my way of rationalising as I reconcile how I feel. I’ve also seen another child free friend recently have to pick up the significant caring and logistic responsibilities for her parents because her siblings think she has nothing else to do.. and she couldn’t let her parents down. No need to create my own fan fiction though.

Financially, both sets of parents in very strong position so it’s unlikely that any kids would need to be responsible for costs.

Husband works in law and I’m quite senior in health administration so its likely we’ll be expected to step in and navigate everything should the time comes… but who knows what the future holds

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Dotjones · 25/01/2023 11:45

YANBU not to get involved with your parents' care but YABU to expect your sibling to do it. It's not their responsibility either, the parent-child should be one way, the parent cares for themselves and for the child, not the other way around.

FrenchandSaunders · 25/01/2023 11:46

I think that's really hurtful OP. I have two adult DDs, one of whom lives about 2.5 hours away. I wouldn't dream of visiting her city and not telling her or asking to meet for dinner etc. It's very odd!

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