Undertaking motorbike

[Bowbells7]

I've just taken the kids to school and ended up in a rage at a biker.
I was sat at the traffic lights, indicating to turn left, when a motorbike pulled up next to me on the left, then turned left when I did and then undertook me. I blasted the horn at him as I felt it was dangerous for him to be so close to me on the junction. The kids were yelling 'don't hit him' and I was doing my best not to.
I know motorbikes are allowed to filter but surely this is a dangerous thing to do on a junction? Or was I in the wrong for beeping at him?
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Bikers aren't "twats who want to get ahead" they are perfectly at liberty to filter through traffic. It's legal.

Agreed - it's sad to see such poor standards.

Depends on where the biker was and whether OP was in fact indicating. I agree with the general premise of staying out of harm's way on 2 wheels - but this isn't the same as cycling up the inside of a moving 8 wheel tipper that's signalling left.

You need a diagram? What can't you understand?

The only reason to use your horn is to make sure someone knows you are there. There was no need in this instance because he had already pulled alongside you.

Most bikes have greater acceleration than cars so if you were level at the lights he would have naturally pulled away faster.

He shouldn't have pulled up beside you, he should have stayed behind but getting angry with him is a bit pointless. And not something you want your dcs to copy.

If you're in the U.K., the highway code has changed and you as a car driver have a greater duty of care to anyone on two wheels. It's called hierarchy of users and changed exactly a year ago.

I drive ,cycle and have motorbike
The only time I would do that move if I was cycling but not on motorbike
difficult to tell without being there but they might of thought you were going straight on or turning right with there being such a gap

irrespective of turning right ,left our whatever I always wait till motorbikes have pulled away before I set off

deducting points for use of horn no need

Sounds as if you are at fault here. You left a large gap even though you were turning left. I dont the the motorbike rider did anything wrong. Get a smaller car if you can't manage to drive an estaye car.

You drive an estate not a bus, it doesn’t have a massive turning circle where you need to position so far over you leave enough room for a motorbike to fit there 😂 You should be more cautious with your children in the car too.

Was he not indicating left? If no indication surely you would think “I’m not sure what this road users intentions are so, I’ll wait a few seconds to see if he’s going left / straight on to avoid and incident” rather than try and “go first”? You’re supposed to watch out for the more vulnerable road, it sounds like you pulled off and turned left without any concern for the motorbike and just wanted to be first and show him a lesson. As proven by your aggressive honking.

Should he have been there, probably not. But you were unreasonable to show no care and attention to the road, and aggressively beep at someone when you should have been paying more attention.

Perhaos you need a highway code and driving refresher course.

Never known a country as bad for road rage as it is in the UK🙄

You stopped at a the traffic lights,the bike pulled up beside you clearly visible as you said you saw them. I dont see the issue. It would be no differant if it was a bicycle. With the exception that a motorbike can get ahead quicker

If you see a motorbike pull up beside you (either side) just let them go.
They will get away faster than you
Do NOT try to fight for the same space as him. This is dangerous and unecessary
If you feel ragey, pull over and calm down
Driving angry is extremely dangerous.

I ride a motorbike, if a car was in the left lane signalling to turn left and got there before me, even if there was a little space, I would stay behind the car and wait my turn, just as I would if I was in my car.

I do this for my own safety, as primarily my safety is my responsibility. I also do this when cycling.

If a lorry left a gap to turn and was signalling, I also wouldn't take advantage and fill the gap in a car, motorbike or bicycle.

I agree blasting the horn is unnecessary and aggressive most of the time, but if you were at the junction first and signaling and if it was a really tight junction then the biker should have enough road senseto see that and hold back.

Some really interesting replies here and surprising how different they are too!
If it happens again I'll let the bike go. It is a really tight junction and I've seen some awful near misses there when buses go round it.
As for the highway code changing I haven't seen any changes on the road. Cars never give way to pedestrians on junctions like they're supposed to now, as I can testify as I walk a lot.
Keep safe on the roads folks 😊

Cars never give way to pedestrians on junctions like they're supposed to now
Vehicles were always supposed to give priority to people already crossing a road they were turning into - but usually tried to mow us down.

I never turn left anyway

I'm a biker and it sounds like the biker was at fault. If I filter through to the front I will sit behind the car at the front of the qué or go to the front if there is room for me in front of the first car. I know I can accelerate away from the junction faster than the car so sitting in front isn't causing an obstruction.
I would never sit along side a car. The biker is most definitely at fault.
I hope that helps