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Emotionally Immature, SN or should I be worried?

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TheChocolateEater · 19/01/2023 21:08

DD is 8, Year 4.

I know friendship issues are common among this age group and the teacher has said she’s seeing a lot more of it possibly due to the affects of the lockdowns.

For context during the first lockdown it was just me and DD, sometimes we didn’t see or speak to another soul for weeks. Her dad disappeared for the entire time, DD was scared by covid and we lived in a 1 bed top floor flat and she was by this point half my size and far too heavy to force down the stairs, no lift as there’s only 3 floors (ground, 1st and 2nd, we were 2nd).

2nd lot of school closures was slightly better but DD was recovering from surgery in the November so we did get to see Drs and Nurses when we went for check ups and occasionally other DC also waiting to see the Dr – she’d gone back to school for a week before Christmas after the surgery.

So I know DDs social skills have been delayed, as she’s an only child. All the girls she wants to play with at school have older siblings, so they do seem more grown up.

DD has a joint condition and SN but nothing is actually diagnosed. She’s down at school as suspected dyslexic. We’re awaiting an official diagnosis and are going through the EHC plan process. I know dyslexia causes processing issues and social issues.

After school I’m getting a lot of “She hit me so I hit her back but I got in trouble and she didn’t” “They wanted to play alone and I didn’t know how to ask the others in the class to play with me so I sat alone” to the point it’s every night. I’m also starting to get calls from the teacher during the day about minor low-level stuff – talking during class, insisting she has to sit with one particular child or she can’t sit with one.

DD lacks confidence, I know this. She won’t even tell her teacher if her joints are hurting. So I do think a lot of it is her not making herself understood to the other children in her class, she also has a slight speech delay and I’ve noticed recently whereas in Reception and Years 1-3 the other children understood her clearly, she’s now struggling to be understood, whether it’s because she speaks slowly and they’re losing patience for her to get to the point or whether they genuinely can’t understand her I don’t know.

She’s started going to lunchtime clubs instead of onto the playground but I think this is actually making it worse because then when she is on the playground those friendships are established and DDs trying to break into them, thats when she says they don't want to play with her.

She begged me to do an after school club with her teacher, literally begged me, told me her best friend in her class was going and she really wanted to do it. But I had to stop it, she was coming out crying saying X had ignored her or the teacher had put her in a group with children from another class or year, and then she’d get violent with me at home. So now I’m the bad guy because she still wants to go, but she hit and kicked me after it for the entire half term she did it, so I said no this half term.

She does Brownies, and there’s a couple from her class there but none of her immediate friends, I had hoped it’d encourage those friendships but she basically ignores them outside of Brownies meetings, which seems ashame.
I’m seriously worried about her, both mentally as she’s so upset about it all and also because I want her to have friends. I don’t care whether it’s 1 friend or 21.

I’ve tried everything. Playdates; the child comes and plays but doesn’t seem to try with DD at school (and I’ve had nearly every child in the class over at least twice), DD had a birthday party in Year 3 and insisted she invite the whole class and one child from the class came, DD had fun anyway as my cousins who have children and ExHs DNs came, but it was disappointing for DD who was expecting 31 DC there and had just 7 and most of those where family.

Any ideas how I can help her? Or is it just the situation? I’m worried she’ll never recover socially from this and that breaks me.

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EsmeSusanOgg · 19/01/2023 21:12

Oh gosh. Have you also investigated ASD? I am dyslexic, but also have ASD (not picked up until adulthood) and this sounds very like my experience at this age.

Are you able to invite any of the Brownie friends for a playdate? Have you spoken to her teacher? Asked how she is doing with relationships in school?

EsmeSusanOgg · 19/01/2023 21:15

PS. I have heard good things about play therapy for children this age from friends. But no direct experience. Others may have more info?

TheChocolateEater · 19/01/2023 21:16

EsmeSusanOgg · 19/01/2023 21:12

Oh gosh. Have you also investigated ASD? I am dyslexic, but also have ASD (not picked up until adulthood) and this sounds very like my experience at this age.

Are you able to invite any of the Brownie friends for a playdate? Have you spoken to her teacher? Asked how she is doing with relationships in school?

@EsmeSusanOgg School have said categorically she is not autistic, I have no idea how they know but they have said that the EHCNA won't look for it. I thought she probably was ASD a few years ago but kept being told she's not by school and her paediatrician.

I've invited the Brownies friends that are in her class over but DD just ignores them outside of Brownies and they don't make much effort with her outside of playdates.

Spoken to the teacher who says it's normal to have friendship issues at this age but that there's a lot more of it at the moment possibly due to covid. There's also a big cliche of DC and Parents in the class who all live near each other so during the Lockdowns basically were in and out of each others homes. So that's affected it too I think as those DC are all really close now.

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EsmeSusanOgg · 19/01/2023 21:21

I'd ask for a second opinion on the ASD. Girls are better at masking, and it may well be there not seeing the angry outbursts and emotional meltdowns you are seeing because she is masking in school.

It is hard at this age too, especially if she is a bit on the outside.

I'd maybe invite some brownie friends that are not from her class? If that is possible? It can be good for self esteem to have friends outside school, especially if you're struggling with friendship in school.

EsmeSusanOgg · 19/01/2023 21:21

*they're not there.

TheChocolateEater · 19/01/2023 21:23

EsmeSusanOgg · 19/01/2023 21:21

I'd ask for a second opinion on the ASD. Girls are better at masking, and it may well be there not seeing the angry outbursts and emotional meltdowns you are seeing because she is masking in school.

It is hard at this age too, especially if she is a bit on the outside.

I'd maybe invite some brownie friends that are not from her class? If that is possible? It can be good for self esteem to have friends outside school, especially if you're struggling with friendship in school.

@EsmeSusanOgg Unfortunately I don't know how to get a second opinion and I can't afford private diagnosis.

I don't know any of the Brownies not in her class, we have no contact details for them and I don't always take her or pick her up.

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Hankunamatata · 19/01/2023 21:25

Is she having speech therapy for the speech delay?

TheChocolateEater · 19/01/2023 21:27

Hankunamatata · 19/01/2023 21:25

Is she having speech therapy for the speech delay?

@Hankunamatata Shes on the waiting list but it's 2+ years long so doubt we'll ever get to the top of it and I can't afford private.

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shimmerbubbles · 19/01/2023 21:28

I would have a chat with her school's SENCO - you and the school both recognise that she's struggling with social skills so she needs to be taught these. The why is a bigger issue.

The school might have some social skills groups running, or may be willing to set one up. They can also suggest some things to do at home (e.g. social stories, supporting emotional regulation, collaboration skills, learning social scripts), but she needs to learn social skills in context, with other children, so the school really does need to be involved. Hopefully they can help somehow.

Hankunamatata · 19/01/2023 21:36

For dyslexia try word hornet. It's a book you can work through together at home. Only think you need is the book
www.wordwasp.com/ this is website that explains it. U can buy the book from loads places online. Iv used it with 2 of my dc and its really helped.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 19/01/2023 21:39

She does sound a bit like my ds in some ways. He’s also 8. The school think ADHD rather than ASD though.

Hankunamatata · 19/01/2023 21:39

www.barnardos.org.uk/what-we-do/helping-families/mental-health

These were really good working with dc. Helping with social situations. We had someone come out weekly and play games with dc while talking about social situations etc. Really helped with anxiety.

Hankunamatata · 19/01/2023 21:42

Iv also found the incredible years parenting programme very good. I did it via zoom over lockdown and got lots out of it.
incredibleyears.com/programs/parent/
A charity paid for me to do the course. You can also get book online (second copies are avaliable) and as audio book

Itisbetter · 19/01/2023 21:42

I think it sounds like you’ve both become VERY focused on friendships and popularity. It’s very normal for children to worry about friends and I expect your underlying concerns about poss ASD and Covid and just mum worry have fed into it so now you are both upset and sensitive to everything. I’d try to move away from that. Find a new activity you can do together. Find her a new hobby something where the focus isn’t on socialising.

Hankunamatata · 19/01/2023 21:45

Also research adhd in girls. It can present very differently to how people think of adhd.

twohomesneeded · 19/01/2023 21:55

Things that stand out: social skill issues with peers, speech/communication difficulties, fixating on a particular child (that she wants to sit next to), hitting/kicking out at home. These can be markers for autism.

I would contact the National Autistic Society (see www.autism.org.uk) and ask for help how to go about getting a second opinion if asking the GP for it is getting nowhere.

Also worth checking out from the NHS what an autism assessment consists of, as yours doesn't seem to have followed what's written here.
www.nhs.uk/conditions/autism/getting-diagnosed/assessments/

With or without a diagnosis, the school should be supporting the child's needs so worth asking the teacher/senco what else they can do to support regarding friendships.

And lastly, is it you that's more bothered about the friendship issue or DD? Has she expressed disinterest, or expressed loneliness or feeling left out?

TheChocolateEater · 19/01/2023 21:57

twohomesneeded · 19/01/2023 21:55

Things that stand out: social skill issues with peers, speech/communication difficulties, fixating on a particular child (that she wants to sit next to), hitting/kicking out at home. These can be markers for autism.

I would contact the National Autistic Society (see www.autism.org.uk) and ask for help how to go about getting a second opinion if asking the GP for it is getting nowhere.

Also worth checking out from the NHS what an autism assessment consists of, as yours doesn't seem to have followed what's written here.
www.nhs.uk/conditions/autism/getting-diagnosed/assessments/

With or without a diagnosis, the school should be supporting the child's needs so worth asking the teacher/senco what else they can do to support regarding friendships.

And lastly, is it you that's more bothered about the friendship issue or DD? Has she expressed disinterest, or expressed loneliness or feeling left out?

@twohomesneeded She says she gets lonely at school when no-one wants to play with her. I try and encourage other friendships like the ones from Brownies but she says they play games she doesn't want to and seems unable to let them know what she wants to play.

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BlackeyedSusan · 19/01/2023 22:04

School categorically said dd was not autistic but the neurodevelopment team thought otherwise.

If her joint issues are HSD/EDS then she is more likely to be autistic (and have gut issues, allergies, asthma, incontinence, mast cell disorders, headaches, etc, etc, etc) (I did come across one condition that us bendy people don't get more often... Just waiting be same as everyone else)

LavenderHillMob · 19/01/2023 22:20

ADHD and ASD are diagnosed by health professionals according to their ICD criteria - not teachers. That doesn't mean that Teachers don't have plenty of experience, but they shouldn't be excluding anything.

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