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To think these questions are inappropriate?

50 replies

ButterflyGildedWings · 17/01/2023 15:06

Apprentice who’s just joined and in their first job.

They’ve asked me questions such as “am I dating anyone” and if my handbag was a fake. They also took a photo of me in work without my permission which made me very uncomfortable.

Reading that back it sounds like flirting but it’s definitely not, as presumably she’s straight as she has a long term boyfriend.

OP posts:
KillingLoneliness · 17/01/2023 15:43

She just sounds young to me and making general conversation.

JudgeRudy · 17/01/2023 15:44

I'm not a good gauge of what's deemed inappropriate but within a conversation neither of those questions sounds particularly out of place to me. She's obviously shared that she has a boyfriend so asking for similar information seems reasonable. I'd say she was admiring your handbag and knowing they can be expensive wondered if it was a copy (which she still liked). If you said yes, its fake, she would have prob said Looks good though, if you'd have said no, she'd have said lucky you. No judgement.
I'm not sure if this applies but I've noticed that if someone is young, confident and chatty there's a type of person that seems to take an instant dislike to them. When asked why they don't like them grey say they're 'too full of themselves' or similar but can't give specific examples of what their 'offence' is.
Could this be the case? Would you feel differently if someone else had asked?

unfortunateevents · 17/01/2023 15:49

What did you say when she took your photo??

TheKitchenWitch · 17/01/2023 15:52

Hoppinggreen · 17/01/2023 15:19

Maybe she was just responding to your warm and friendly demeanour?

@Hoppinggreen 😂😂😂😂

Katyrosebug · 17/01/2023 15:55

We have 2 apprentices at work, in the engineering industry, so very dirty, lots of metal burs around etc.. One of them had really long hair and to start with would argue with the trainer about tying it up, now thankfully does, music had to be banned for a while as he was forever fiddling with Spotify and not listening, thankfully that's calmed down and we're allowed it again now. The owner of the company caught him lying on the floor just playing on his phone once 😂🙈 it's his first ever job and I don't think he kmows how to act or what's acceptable

Oneshoetwoshoeredshoeblushoe · 17/01/2023 15:59

Reading that back it sounds like flirting

It really doesn’t. It just sounds like young, clueless in the workplace inexperience.

Snellytheelephant · 17/01/2023 16:01

ButterflyGildedWings · 17/01/2023 15:20

No the bag is very much real. I’ve also seen someone carrying around a blatant fake at work but why would I call it out? To embarrass them? No I’m not that way inclined.

I wouldn’t see any harm in someone asking about the authenticity of a bag, to be honest. It might not even dawn on your colleague that someone would take offence to it, if it isn’t something she herself would consider offensive. She’s probably more admiring it than anything else!

RampantIvy · 17/01/2023 16:07

I don’t need to be warm and friendly at work. I’m in a professional setting.

How depressing. It is entirley possible to be warm and friendly and professional.

Calphurnia88 · 17/01/2023 16:16

She sounds inexperienced, which we all were at some point in fairness.

Going against the grain here but I don't think 'are you dating?' is an appropriate question to ask in a professional setting, unless it's relevant to the conversation or you've built up a decent rapport with the other person. I work for a big multi-national though, might be different in other organisations.

MiddleParking · 17/01/2023 16:19

ButterflyGildedWings · 17/01/2023 15:21

I don’t need to be warm and friendly at work. I’m in a professional setting.

Well yeah you don’t need to be, but then that’ll be why you’re not making great relationships with people. Sorry that you’ve been led to believe friendly and professional are mutually exclusive, that can’t be much fun for anyone.

OopsAnotherOne · 17/01/2023 16:21

If your general attitude in the workplace is similar to how it has been on this thread, towards people who were perfectly pleasant towards you OP, then I can see how a young apprentice in her first job would find you intimidating and might scramble for things to make conversation with. Try being friendly towards her and she may feel more at ease and less likely to make awkward comments. I wouldn't find them offensive though, personally.

been and done it. · 17/01/2023 16:23

Hoppinggreen · 17/01/2023 15:19

Maybe she was just responding to your warm and friendly demeanour?

Lol

Blendy · 17/01/2023 16:24

you’re exceptionally rude. maybe she feels the same and is winding you up on purpose?

siroodlesofnoodles · 17/01/2023 16:25

You should be friendly and pleasant at work.

I work in a professional setting, and I would be mortified to be anything other than amiable.

You sound terrible.

PoseyFlump · 17/01/2023 16:25

Reading that back it sounds like flirting but it’s definitely not, as presumably she’s straight

That's a strange thing to think. Unless maybe you are obviously not straight and you're projecting? Sounds like she's seeking your approval and friendship. Or you make her nervous.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/01/2023 16:31

Just sounds like a kid trying to get along with the old lady in the corner to me.

(As even 26 sounds ancient to a school leaver, I'm definitely one of the elderly in our apprentices' eyes!).

pigsDOfly · 17/01/2023 16:34

She sounds a bit clueless tbh. Poor kid sounds like she has no idea how to talk to adults.

She talking to you as she would one of her peers, which given your responses on here is clearly not going to go down well with you.

Obviously, you can be as unfriendly as you like, I'm not sure that necessarily makes you more professional though.

I'm surprised you didn't say something to her regarding the photograph, extremely odd behaviour on her part.

user1473878824 · 17/01/2023 16:34

ButterflyGildedWings · 17/01/2023 15:21

I don’t need to be warm and friendly at work. I’m in a professional setting.

What a horrible attitude.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 17/01/2023 16:55

ElfHasBeenSilly · 17/01/2023 15:24

Your response is aggressive and frankly quite weird. Posters are responding to you in good faith. Why are you being rude?

Because it was a stupid fucking question. And not 'in good faith' at all.

@ButterflyGildedWings Presume she's 18ish? I'd have a quiet word (or ask her manager to) just about office ettiquette. I say this as I know a lad who tried so hard to fit in with the office 'banter' and took it too far - it led to him ultimately being fired. And while what she has so far asked has just been a bit irritating, she needs to know what is and isn't appropriate in a work setting.

BellatrixLestrangesHeatedCurlers · 17/01/2023 17:01

She sounds full on but well-meaning. The photo thing would piss me off too, though.

CaitCannoli · 17/01/2023 17:24

ButterflyGildedWings · 17/01/2023 15:21

I don’t need to be warm and friendly at work. I’m in a professional setting.

Warm and friendly still usually gets you further in a professional setting.

Maybe remove the pole from your backside

RoseslnTheHospital · 17/01/2023 17:31

Are you responsible for her professional development? Or can you feed back to her line manager? Surely the whole purpose of being an apprentice is to learn all kinds of work related skills such as appropriate behaviour in the workplace. No need to make it a big thing but I would explain, directly to her if you can, that photos aren't on.

AngelinaFibres · 17/01/2023 17:36

Perhaps this new person is feeling awkward and extremely nervous and their mouth says stuff before their brain has caught up. I was on my final teaching practice 30 odd years ago. One of the teachers had a child be explosively sick in her classroom. I was trying to make conversation as it was only me and her in the staffroom and she was quite ( very) intimidating. I mentioned the sickness horror. She asked if I had seen it I person. 'No" I said, 'I can smell it". Her classroom was the other side of the school. The only reason I could smell it was because she smelt of it. She looked, quite rightly, astonished and horrified. I wanted to die on the spot. My mouth had uttered a stupid, stupid thing because I was young and awkward. You could have brushed off the dating question and laughed kindly at the fake comment. The photo is odd but maybe their mum had asked about you and it was the easiest way to show her. Not appropriate but not the end of the world either.

Hawkins001 · 17/01/2023 17:45

YourGazeHitsTheSideOfMyFace · 17/01/2023 15:30

Talk to her about it! I mentor apprentices and several of our early conversations each year are about what is and isn’t appropriate in the workplace, cause they don’t have enough experience to know. We help them get established in the work world in all sorts of ways. The photo and the question about dating would be a definite no no, and I’d talk about why - especially with the dating thing, which could force people to out themselves or talk about a difficult subject if they’re in an unhappy relationship or recently bereaved for instance. Explaining, rather than just taking the huff, is best, because it means they don’t do it again.

I would try to unclench a bit about things like the bag, though - sounds to me like you were a bit touchy about it. I would probably have laughed and said that was inappropriate to ask, but since she did, no, it’s real. It’s not a slight on you.

Honestly, at this age and stage they are very green to the ways of the world, and it’s good practice to help them find their feet in any way we can. I never ascribe to unkindness what can be explained by ignorance.

that's the thing, I agree they could be used to talking a similar way as in the op, with their friends and not had experience of being in a more professional setting etc

OliveWah · 17/01/2023 19:17

Did she tell you why she was taking your photo? What did you say when she took it, and how did she react?

I think it might be worth someone having a friendly (and quiet) word with her about what is and isn't acceptable in the office. If no one tells her, she's only going to find out that things are unacceptable once she's said them, which seems like it could get her into some tricky situations and could cause upset and embarrassment to colleagues. I think it would be kind to remind her it's a professional workplace and let her know that if she is ever confused about what might be unacceptable, then she can check with you (or whoever has the quiet word with her) first, without judgement. We all have to learn somehow, and I think that some kids these days don't seem to understand the definition between casual and professional as easily as most of those from previous generations have.

But yeah, she was inappropriate, YANBU.

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