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The government can get in the fucking bin pretending to care about education

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noblegiraffe · 17/01/2023 13:46

The government have issued guidance for schools on strike days:

Prioritise vulnerable kids (now they care? After destroying SEN and mental health services?)

Provide lunch for kids on FSM (the ones they voted not to feed during covid school holidays? And if they care about hungry kids, why have they not raised the threshold for qualifying in line with inflation? Thousands of kids going hungry because they don’t qualify as family income is over £7400, same as in 2018).

Hire supply teachers to cover striking teachers (with what money? And fuck off)

Make sure tutoring happens (using the governments’ failed National Tutoring Programme it doesn’t happen at the best of times)

The government are apparently very worried that pupils might not have teachers on strike days although they don’t give a shit that they don’t have teachers on non-strike days.

The government are very concerned that children’s educational recovery from covid will be set back - while refusing to fund the covid catch-up package that their own advisor recommended, and they have basically left children to just get on with it.

If the government actually cared about education, about vulnerable kids, about hungry kids, they’d be funding these things.

Time they put their money where their mouth is.

And if anyone asks where this money is going to come from, ask Nadhim Zahawi.

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blondieminx · 17/01/2023 18:11

YearoftheDrama · 17/01/2023 14:09

The vulnerable kids need to be in school argument fucks me off. What are you doing to support those kids on the weekends or during the holidays? Fuck all. Let's just hide the mess of social care by pretending schools can do it all. But we won't give them any money to provide that care with, even though schools are doing more and more with less and less.

This with bells on.

and clinically vulnerable kids are even more disadvantaged.

what a shitshow we are trying to live in. Kids deserve so much better.

ilovesooty · 17/01/2023 18:15

Aleaiactaest · 17/01/2023 18:07

Thanks @noblegiraffe - are you in the NEU?
I still have one DC in state primary. Support staff are not striking and neither are headteachers. I have no idea if any of the actual teachers are actually in the NEU. I am sure our head will let us know in due course if it impacts our school - in any event we have enough TAs to cover the days. Is that actually legal though?

Hopefully TAs will not be covering the work of striking teachers.

napody · 17/01/2023 18:18

'Hire supply teachers to cover striking teachers'
What the fuck??? Do they know what a strike is? If I were NASUWT this would be the straw the sent me to NEU (if the governments introduction of totally undemocratic turnout thresholds hadn't already).

It's really telling that they haven't told any other striking professions to get cover and break strike. They really do show their utter contempt for school staff.

Iamnotthe1 · 17/01/2023 18:21

ilovesooty · 17/01/2023 18:15

Hopefully TAs will not be covering the work of striking teachers.

Headteachers have been instructed to keep schools as open as possible by:

  • asking other teachers to cover classes,
  • asking support staff to cover classes,
  • getting in supply,
  • preparing a bank of potential people who can cover and be paid a day rate (not teachers or school staff),
  • ask anyone will a valid DBS to volunteer to be a warm body in front of the class.

They have also been reminded that no staff to pupil ratios exist above the age of seven so one person (teacher, support, volunteer, anyone!) can supervise on their own with as many children as can fit in one room or the hall. The Department for Education has also suspended the curriculum so no actual lessons need to take place on any strike days even if the school is fully open. It can all be films and colouring.

Quinoawoman · 17/01/2023 18:21

barneshome · 17/01/2023 13:58

I do not work and pay tax to feed other people's kids.
I do not expect anyone else to feed my kids - they are my responsibility - not the tax payers.
I am sick of people who have no money having loads of kids then getting out the begging bowl to me as a taxpayer.
Everyone on the planet says they have mental health problems the taxpayers can only pay so much.
These days if someone has an argument at school its a mental health issue - whereas it is in fact just part of growing up and learning to deal with conflict.
The govt spend billions on covid - furlough kept millions in a job and hundreds of thousands of companies alive.
If you care so much just give a contribution from your own salary - do not expect me to pay more.

So compassionate ❤

Saucery · 17/01/2023 18:22

I will not be covering for striking teachers. My SLT wouldn’t even ask.

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2023 18:23

The Department for Education has also suspended the curriculum so no actual lessons need to take place on any strike days even if the school is fully open. It can all be films and colouring.

There's their valuing of education shining through. Kids in a school building therefore everything is fine.

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napody · 17/01/2023 18:23

Iamnotthe1 · 17/01/2023 18:21

Headteachers have been instructed to keep schools as open as possible by:

  • asking other teachers to cover classes,
  • asking support staff to cover classes,
  • getting in supply,
  • preparing a bank of potential people who can cover and be paid a day rate (not teachers or school staff),
  • ask anyone will a valid DBS to volunteer to be a warm body in front of the class.

They have also been reminded that no staff to pupil ratios exist above the age of seven so one person (teacher, support, volunteer, anyone!) can supervise on their own with as many children as can fit in one room or the hall. The Department for Education has also suspended the curriculum so no actual lessons need to take place on any strike days even if the school is fully open. It can all be films and colouring.

A sign of things to come then... although it'll be every day not strike days.

Hopefully all HTs have a moral compass and won't play ball.

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2023 18:24

are you in the NEU?

No, I am NASUWT (don't get me started).

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Aleaiactaest · 17/01/2023 18:24

@ilovesooty - I volunteer in our state primary at least twice a week cooking, reading, IT that kind of thing. So do lots of the other parents. There are often TAs covering for a few hours here and there… With lesson plans it is doable. Depends on how many of our teachers are in the applicable unions. Would not be surprised if the school ask parents with DBS checks to go in and volunteer too if this becomes an ongoing issue. Feel sorry for the TAs though … stuck between a rock and hard place if their teacher in the relevant union and the head telling them to cover!

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2023 18:24

Aren't both the DfE and Ofsted on strike on 1st Feb anyway?

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napody · 17/01/2023 18:24

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2023 18:24

are you in the NEU?

No, I am NASUWT (don't get me started).

You can sign up for the NEU too can't you?

napody · 17/01/2023 18:25

I did see something that other unions can strike alongside NEU anyway but I'm not sure of the truth of this.

Quinoawoman · 17/01/2023 18:25

Totally with you @noblegiraffe. I am so angry that my own kids are having to deal with the current shitty system. I'm only staying in it because I seem to be in some kind of co-dependent relationship with teaching, whereby retraining to do anything else will take up lots of time that I don't have because I teach, and will cost lots of money that I don't have because I teach.

napody · 17/01/2023 18:26

Aleaiactaest · 17/01/2023 18:24

@ilovesooty - I volunteer in our state primary at least twice a week cooking, reading, IT that kind of thing. So do lots of the other parents. There are often TAs covering for a few hours here and there… With lesson plans it is doable. Depends on how many of our teachers are in the applicable unions. Would not be surprised if the school ask parents with DBS checks to go in and volunteer too if this becomes an ongoing issue. Feel sorry for the TAs though … stuck between a rock and hard place if their teacher in the relevant union and the head telling them to cover!

Honestly, a Head that puts staff in that position really doesn't deserve to retain staff - they clearly don't value them.

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2023 18:26

napody · 17/01/2023 18:24

You can sign up for the NEU too can't you?

Indeed, the problem there is I don't want to sign up for the NEU, I have some fairly fundamental ideological disagreements with them and I don't want them to speak for me.

NAS are planning to reballot.

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napody · 17/01/2023 18:27

Excellent - fingers crossed for smashing that undemocratic threshold - the irony of that being upheald by a PM with an election turnout of.... 0%

ReformedWaywardTeen · 17/01/2023 18:28

I've seen a couple of replies that are very obviously aimed at my post.

To reiterate, I fully understand why they wish to strike, Iam aware it goes much further than pay, as with Nurses, Paramedics and railway workers.

However, in the immediate time frame, with exams very close by, and a child already struggling with severe mental health issues after lockdowns and disruption, I would rather they didn't strike now.

My child is my immediate priority. Their education has been very good for a state school because the Head is wonderful and goes out looking for opportunity for the school fund. That is not a dog at other schools merely an observation.

I've had quite literally had them hysterical on the phone to me because they've opened their mock exam of the day, 4 times now over two days, and have been so scared, anxious and crying they haven't answered more than a few, if any, answers. They know the answers. Their teachers have been great. But that disconnect between sitting in a regular classroom and at a desk, in silence, with a test in front of them is huge. They're exhausting by it all, to the point they have just gone to bed now. They're depressed as hell, we cannot get help from our GP because his answer was firstly "Camhs has a 3 year wait just for triage" and "which teen isn't anxious after lockdowns, I hear it daily, you should take them swimming or for a day out to cheer them up". And our GP surgery is considered the best here.

I am now selfish for worrying more about the immediate few months for my kid than teachers. Strikes will do nothing, the Tories don't care, they are already banning protests and next will be sacking people. What good will that do? When they are sacked? There will be even less staff then.

I don't believe they have it easy, never said anything of the sort, I imagine it's a bloody thankless task.

But right here, right now, my main concern is the affect any more disruption will have my child.

Aleaiactaest · 17/01/2023 18:28

OK reading the above government guidance which our head always follows to the tea… there will be no school closure! Even if all the teachers are in the NEU. We also have too many lawyers in the parent group who will be right on the ball and call the teacher out and put pressure on the governors too. So if heads and support staff are not striking this isn’t going to have the impact the NEU might be hoping for. Government should at least give schools an extra supply budgets!!

HerReputationMadeItDifficultToProceed · 17/01/2023 18:29

Until last term I was doing supply and had been for a few years as my main gig. I'm in the NEU. So are most other supply staff I know/have encountered and discussed this with. So who's going to be doing the supply?! Absolute nonsense.

napody · 17/01/2023 18:32

Aleaiactaest · 17/01/2023 18:28

OK reading the above government guidance which our head always follows to the tea… there will be no school closure! Even if all the teachers are in the NEU. We also have too many lawyers in the parent group who will be right on the ball and call the teacher out and put pressure on the governors too. So if heads and support staff are not striking this isn’t going to have the impact the NEU might be hoping for. Government should at least give schools an extra supply budgets!!

But is the government guidance legal? Doesn't sound it! The lawyer parents could turn their attention to that!

elliejjtiny · 17/01/2023 18:32

It's not just the children with a household income of over 7400 who miss out on free school meals. If you receive working tax credit and have an income below the (ridiculously low) threshold then your children don't get free school meals or pupil premium either. Threshold for free school meals should be the same income as the one for free prescriptions (which is about £16k I think).

Aleaiactaest · 17/01/2023 18:33

Headteachers are also stuck in the middle between parental demands/ governors vs striking teachers. Most parents will be against this just as many opposed Covid closures.

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2023 18:34

Aleaiactaest · 17/01/2023 18:33

Headteachers are also stuck in the middle between parental demands/ governors vs striking teachers. Most parents will be against this just as many opposed Covid closures.

The poll at the top suggests otherwise.

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Aleaiactaest · 17/01/2023 18:41

@HerReputationMadeItDifficultToProceed - “preparing a bank of potential people who can cover and be paid a day rate (not teachers or school staff),” - that will be the army of retired teachers?!!