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To ask if you knew you now need photo ID to vote at a polling station?

193 replies

DidyouknowyouneedID · 16/01/2023 19:17

As of the local and Mayoral elections in May in England, you'll need to show photo ID at a polling station when you go to vote in person.

For Wales this also includes PCC elections and parliamentary seats.

If you don't have photo ID, you won't be given a ballot paper.

Here's a list of the accepted forms of photo ID that you need to take with you:

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/voter/voter-id/accepted-forms-photo-id

And if you don't have accepted photo ID you can apply online for a Voter Authority Certificate before 25 April and take that with you:

www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate

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Runnerduck34 · 22/01/2023 14:53

I do know as I work for a council and usually work in polling stations but I don't think there's been much advertising about it and anticipate a lot of people will turn up without it which will be a pita and put extra pressure on polling staff, especially if they are argumentative.
I do think it will negatively impact older / younger and disadvantaged people who may not have a driving licence or passport etc.
Getting an official ID is an extra hoop to jump through when for most elections turn out is normally pretty low already.
In my years as working as a poll clerk I haven't been aware or heard of anyone fraudulently voting I think it's pretty unusual tbh. Most people cba to even vote legitimately under their own name.

UsingChangeofName · 22/01/2023 15:45

I do know as I work for a council and usually work in polling stations but I don't think there's been much advertising about it and anticipate a lot of people will turn up without it which will be a pita and put extra pressure on polling staff, especially if they are argumentative.

Presumably it will be written large on the polling cards though ?

ShakespearesBlister · 22/01/2023 15:50

Just vote by post instead.

Pixiedust1234 · 22/01/2023 15:56

@Plbrookes
You use one of the other forms of id.

You are missing my point. You can't use it as ID as it needs to stay in the car for disability parking. It cant be in two places at once, hence my "ummm" comment.

Tootsey11 · 22/01/2023 16:06

Not sure what the problem is, we have to show ID in Northern Ireland, its not an issue.

Thelnebriati · 22/01/2023 16:39

My disability means getting an acceptable photo is a problem.

GolfEchoRomeoTangoIndia · 22/01/2023 16:41

Pixiedust1234 · 22/01/2023 15:56

@Plbrookes
You use one of the other forms of id.

You are missing my point. You can't use it as ID as it needs to stay in the car for disability parking. It cant be in two places at once, hence my "ummm" comment.

Yes but you might not need it to park at the polling station for any number of reasons, and in those situations you could use it as ID.

MadeOfSteel · 22/01/2023 16:47

I don't think we have much of an issue with voter fraud. It's many of the politicians who are the frauds.

I can't agree with having to take ID. This is being introduced as a way to disenfranchise poorer people; people who are more likely to be voting for other parties.

Samcro · 22/01/2023 16:58

She doesn’t have photo I’d, I only heard about this on here and saw it on the back of a bus!
so I went online and got him the voter identification form. Was really easy apart from the photo. I used the digital one he got from a photo shop. It was the wrong size. Luckily I just asked my son and he sorted it. But odd that a digital passport photo is the wrong size!

AllAboutSlime · 22/01/2023 17:12

I remember hearing something about this ages ago, then I read a sign on the back of a bus about it recently.

The Tories have effectively disenfranchised a significant proportion of the population; unsurprisingly it's part of the population that's significantly less likely to vote Conservative. I'm sure there's a word for that, now what could it possibly be 🧐.

Plbrookes · 22/01/2023 17:28

Pixiedust1234 · 22/01/2023 15:56

@Plbrookes
You use one of the other forms of id.

You are missing my point. You can't use it as ID as it needs to stay in the car for disability parking. It cant be in two places at once, hence my "ummm" comment.

No, you are missing the point. If a Blue Badge is sufficient proof of identity why shouldn't it be allowed to be used. You think the government should say 'Blue Badges are not an acceptable form of ID because you probably will leave them in your car if you drive to your polling station and we're ignoring the fact that for many millions of people it's much easier to walk to a polling station than drive in any case. "?

orangeoyster · 22/01/2023 19:34

MadeOfSteel · 22/01/2023 16:47

I don't think we have much of an issue with voter fraud. It's many of the politicians who are the frauds.

I can't agree with having to take ID. This is being introduced as a way to disenfranchise poorer people; people who are more likely to be voting for other parties.

Can't say I agree with the logic of 'it doesn't happen often so there's no need to prevent it'.

More than that, I find it rather astounding that you think poor people are so weak and pointless that they can't even rustle up a bank account.

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 22/01/2023 19:44

Yes and I’m not sure why this wasn’t actioned earlier?

Alexandra2001 · 22/01/2023 20:10

DownNative · 22/01/2023 11:26

Voter suppression, my arse! That has NOT been the case in Northern Ireland one bit where ID has been required since 1985 in order to vote.

Change the record.

Voter ID is coming to GB, will be free for those who need it and will increase confidence in the electoral system.

Applying for ID is not difficult and those who refuse to will be disenfranchising themselves - not the government or the system.

The Electoral Commission wrote to the Govt about its concerns, basically saying its being rolled out too quickly and will sway election results... but what do they know eh?

No its not difficult to apply for ID if you can read and write, access to the internet and know about it.... and an est 5m to 7m adults in the uk are illiterate.

I think about people like my Aunt, no passport or no driving licence (photo), no bus pass, no BB or smart phone and local libraries closed, i also doubt she has a clue what her NI number is either or where it is.... she always votes, usually Tory, rarely watches the news, doesn't go out much now and doesn't take a 'paper.. if i don't tell & then help her, she wont be able to vote....

DownNative · 22/01/2023 21:13

Alexandra2001 · 22/01/2023 20:10

The Electoral Commission wrote to the Govt about its concerns, basically saying its being rolled out too quickly and will sway election results... but what do they know eh?

No its not difficult to apply for ID if you can read and write, access to the internet and know about it.... and an est 5m to 7m adults in the uk are illiterate.

I think about people like my Aunt, no passport or no driving licence (photo), no bus pass, no BB or smart phone and local libraries closed, i also doubt she has a clue what her NI number is either or where it is.... she always votes, usually Tory, rarely watches the news, doesn't go out much now and doesn't take a 'paper.. if i don't tell & then help her, she wont be able to vote....

Again, the Electoral Commission said NOWT about so-called voter suppression. At least try to respond to the actual point made!

Speed of rollout is obviously NOT the same thing as voter suppression. 🤦‍♂️

Seriously, it's not a major problem in Northern Ireland with people getting voter ID. Nor is it a major problem in the Republic of Ireland.

It seems to me you and others in this thread have an irrational fear of voter ID being introduced in Great Britain. And with each concern answered by using the example of Northern Ireland......well, you merely shift the goalposts to something else! You know that's a logical fallacy.....right? 🤷‍♂️

DownNative · 22/01/2023 21:18

MadeOfSteel · 22/01/2023 16:47

I don't think we have much of an issue with voter fraud. It's many of the politicians who are the frauds.

I can't agree with having to take ID. This is being introduced as a way to disenfranchise poorer people; people who are more likely to be voting for other parties.

Fact is if voters in the poorest part of the United Kingdom have no problem with Voter ID.....there's no reason to suppose voters in the more better off parts of the UK will struggle to get to grips with it all.

The poorest part of the UK? Northern Ireland where ID is required before you can vote.

It seems to me its mostly lefties in Great Britain who have an irrational fear of this disadvantaging their favoured party. Quite curious how lefties in Northern Ireland don't share the same irrational fear.

Or those in the Republic of Ireland for that matter.

The people of GB will have little problems getting on with voter ID. If some can't afford it, well it's FREE! It's not rocket science! 🤦‍♂️

DownNative · 22/01/2023 21:36

Alexandra2001 · 22/01/2023 20:10

The Electoral Commission wrote to the Govt about its concerns, basically saying its being rolled out too quickly and will sway election results... but what do they know eh?

No its not difficult to apply for ID if you can read and write, access to the internet and know about it.... and an est 5m to 7m adults in the uk are illiterate.

I think about people like my Aunt, no passport or no driving licence (photo), no bus pass, no BB or smart phone and local libraries closed, i also doubt she has a clue what her NI number is either or where it is.... she always votes, usually Tory, rarely watches the news, doesn't go out much now and doesn't take a 'paper.. if i don't tell & then help her, she wont be able to vote....

And here is the findings of the Electoral Commission on the voter ID pilot in 2019:

"The data and findings presented in our evaluation build on the evidence base provided by the 2018 pilot scheme. This evidence further clarifies the way in which a voter ID scheme could be delivered in Great Britain.

However, we are not able to draw definitive conclusions, from these pilots, about how an ID requirement would work in practice, particularly at a national poll with higher levels of turnout or in areas with different socio-demographic profiles not fully represented in the pilot scheme."

So, they say they weren't able to draw definitive conclusions which doesn't match the doom 'n gloom narrative several have given in this thread.

And they went on to say the following:

"If the policy is to be developed further, Government and Parliament should consider carefully the available evidence about the impact of different approaches on the accessibility and security of polling station voting in Great Britain.

This should include evidence from the experience of polling station voters in Northern Ireland, who have been required to show ID since 1985 (including requiring photo ID since 2003), as well as the evidence from the local pilot schemes in both 2018 and 2019."

Essentially, Northern Ireland should be looked to for best practice on the requirement of voter ID. As already shown with no serious argument against it, Northern Ireland already shows requiring voter ID does work!

As for accessibility to voter ID, they stated:

"While a large majority of people already have access to an acceptable form of photo ID, allowing only existing forms of officially issued photo ID would not be accessible for everyone.

To make sure voting at polling stations remains accessible, there would need to be other options for people who do not already have an acceptable form of photo ID. This could involve providing free of charge locally issued photo ID, as currently provided for electors in Northern Ireland.

Alternatively, it could involve allowing voters to use their poll card – on the current model or a different model – as the primary or secondary route to proving identity, depending on the level of security required."

And:

"Locally issued ID that includes a photo – like the electoral identity card currently provided in Northern Ireland – would be more secure than locally issued ID without a photo."

And:

"Some groups of people would find it harder than others to show photo ID in a polling station, although this could be mitigated if locally issued photo voter cards were easily available for all."

Once again, we find that Northern Ireland is held up in this regard for best practice. Essentially, GB would follow best practice from us in Northern Ireland and, if necessary, tweak anything that is needed to ensure best function.

Really, I think it's tribalism in the vein of Labour v Conservatives that's at the heart of any opposition in this thread. Pretty much driven by those who vote Labour based on an irrational fear.

But the Electoral Commission is very clear Voter ID becoming a requirement DOES work.

You really can't argue with Northern Ireland's experience here.....🤷‍♂️

DownNative · 22/01/2023 22:13

The Electoral Commission's concerns was related to the short time table for Local Elections in May, IIRC.

Not with the principle of requirements for voter ID itself. Important distinction.

It will apply to General Elections in England from October 2023, so plenty of time to get it right having learnt best practice from Northern Ireland.

To ask if you knew you now need photo ID to vote at a polling station?
watchfulwishes · 22/01/2023 22:19

Plbrookes · 22/01/2023 11:34

Characteristically hysterical comment from you.

'hysterical' is a misogynistic insult.

Plbrookes · 22/01/2023 22:25

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BigMandysBookClub · 22/01/2023 22:32

hobbledyhoy · 16/01/2023 20:11

How convenient that they bring in an obstacle for voting which is more likely to prevent the less well off from voting, the very demographic who don't vote for them. I can't wait until these absolute wankers are defeated in a landslide. Utter fucking disgrace.

Agree with this.

paintitallover · 22/01/2023 22:40

It's an idea stolen from Trump.

Make sure everyone knows the new rules.

watchfulwishes · 22/01/2023 23:43

I'm not sure why you are being so personal plbrookes in a thread where no personal comments are necessary. We're only discussing political policy here.

blubberyboo · 23/01/2023 01:08

Northern Ireland has been producing free electoral identity cards for years for citizens.

it actually benefits people who can’t afford normal passports and driving licences as they can also use these as ID for domestic flights and ferry crossings making travel accessible to poorer people, and entry to venues etc.

www.eoni.org.uk/Electoral-Identity-Card/Electoral-Identity-Card-FAQs/How-do-I-apply-for-an-Electoral-Identity-Card#q128

so I don’t agree that this is a scheme to stop people voting. It’s had a lot of benefits in Northern Ireland ( the poorest Uk region)

blubberyboo · 23/01/2023 01:23

And considering we in Northern Ireland don’t actually get to vote for the big parties that eventually end up in power and ruling over the rest of us, it would be nice to at least know that the English have a system in place which has integrity and stands up to scrutiny.