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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask how I approach this situation with 9yo DD and my mum

17 replies

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 16/01/2023 13:58

Regular poster but NCd for this.

My mum and I have something of a strained relationship. She’s very passive aggressive and not especially supportive, so I never go to her for support. The last time I did was
10 years ago when I was pregnant with DD after having 2 miscarriages. I said I was worried about losing this baby too. Her reply was “Well as long as you don’t go out in heels or do something silly like go dancing in clubs you’ll be fine”. For the record - I didn’t wear heels or go dancing in any of my pregnancies. This is just an example of her personality. And if you do something once - like sleep in and miss work (which I did aged 17) she will remind you of that forever and say things 20+ years later like “Oh you’re at work, I hope you made it on time and didn’t sleep in”.

I had a mostly good childhood but my 2 brothers and I had a typical 80s/90s upbringing - we got smacked when we misbehaved, grounded for weeks on end, random rules like no going into the kitchen after 7pm etc. The only punishment I consider unduly harsh is that if we swore (which I rarely did but my brothers did often) they would put hot sauce on our lips, like lip balm. And we weren’t allowed to wash it off. It didn’t work - as adults we all have potty mouths!

Anyway, on to my AIBU.

She lives abroad now so my kids, 9&6, rarely see her. Even though my kids barely know her she can be quite overbearing and I’ve often had to tell her to tone it down with them.

There’s a persistent theme when we are with her that she makes shitty comments about my parenting. She thinks I’m ‘mean’ to my children - which is rich considering our childhood! For the record, I am not mean - however if DD has a shit tip of a bedroom that she isn’t cleaning up despite me telling her 5 times I will raise my voice (I don’t shout) and say please tidy your room now or I will be taking your iPad off you for the week. And I follow through on what I say. Or if DS is being unkind to his sister I will make him go and sit in his room to decompress and he can’t come out and play until he apologises.

Mum will sit there going “Oh my poor babies” or “isn’t mummy mean”. Again I do call her out on it and say stop undermining me in front of my kids. I also remind her of what she did to us and she will say “well you shouldn’t have been swearing then” 🙄. She says “I never spoke to you the way you speak to your kids”. Which is total bollocks.

Last time we were all together with my brothers, she made a really shitty remark about my son and how I’ve raised him that I won’t repeat, and my eldest brother actually had a go at her in front of extended family telling her to leave me alone and that I’m a great mum unlike she was.

You get the picture!

My DD (9 nearly 10) told me yesterday that my mum had said to her during the last visit “If mummy is ever unkind to you, call me on your iPad and tell me what she’s said and I’ll be there for you.” She also told my DD not to tell me about this ‘plan’. It made DD feel really uncomfortable, and guilty, and it had been playing on her mind all week. I told her I’m so so proud of her for telling me - she knows she must always tell me if anyone has instructed her to keep secrets from me. She was upset at being asked to go behind my back, we are very close and she’s an open book so this was an alien concept to her. She has said now that she doesn’t like my mum.

my AIBU is - what the hell do I do? How do I approach this? My instincts tell me to lose my shit at my mum but that isn’t helpful obviously. But this level of sneaking around to get one up on me has made me seethe and I can’t see logic right now, only emotions and I need to act reasonably.

Apologies for the long OP - I didn’t want to drip feed so thought context is important!

OP posts:
thepatronsaintofbubblewrap · 16/01/2023 14:17

YANBU. I had a very abusive mother and I can imagine the same happening to me.
I'd be angry about her telling your DD to keep a secret.
Call her out on her behaviour every time.
You're doing great.

Ohgodthepain · 16/01/2023 14:23

I would block your mum on your daughter's iPad and limit contact.

MeridianB · 16/01/2023 14:24

Can you go LC with her? She sounds hard work and is now using your children to continue being unpleasant to you. That’s unacceptable.

I’d definitely block her on your children’s iPads, too.

Stompythedinosaur · 16/01/2023 14:25

Send your mam a message saying it is inappropriate to ask your dc to keep secrets from you. Then don't let her be unsupervised with the dc in the future.

strawberryandcreams · 16/01/2023 14:25

Hi, is this my mum.
She lives abroad. Low contact. Don't share things with your mum. Do the bare minimum.

Sorry no other advice. But I do sympathise

Changechangychange · 16/01/2023 14:29

Block her on your DD’s iPad, if she is actually able to contact her that way. Then go very low contact. Visits once a year are plenty if she lives overseas.

And have no qualms when she says “she never spoke to you like that” in answering “no, you used to hit us instead”. Don’t let her make out she was Supermum.

BigotSpigot · 16/01/2023 14:32

Totally inappropriate and needs addressing. You definitely need to limit contact and definitely supervise it if you are going to attempt to maintain a relationship, so block her etc. on DD's iPad.

I was very, very clear with my mother that if she continued with certain behaviours (slightly different from yours but still very 'divide and conquer' although less serious) she would never see her grandchildren again, I literally told her this - and meant it. She has (more or less) behaved ever since.

Do you even want to continue a relationship with her?

3487642l · 16/01/2023 14:32

What you describe about your childhood and your mum now, is properly abusive. Considering her behavior I think you need to find an age appropriate way to explain this to your children. Your daughter is right to dislike her and I would validate her feelings, it will help her recognize and call out toxic behavior when she comes across it in her life.

2bazookas · 16/01/2023 14:36

Well done to your DC.

I would tell DM

" Teaching a child to keep something private and secret from their parents, is a classic tactic by paedophile abusers. Abusers persuade the child that Mum or Dad are the threat . That the abuser is their friend and saviour.

Your DD has said she doesnt like your Mum. Trust your childs guts, and cut contact.

Whatever you do, dont fall for the abusers classic second line of defence ; which is that if they get caught, the childs parents will be too dumbfounded or embarrassed to challenge or complain.

LookItsMeAgain · 16/01/2023 14:51

You praise your DD for coming to you and telling you as she did.
You borrow your DD's iPad and block your mother on it.

Separately, you contact your mother, tell her that due to her recent comment to your DD, which is the last in a long string of issues you've had with her since you were a child and how she did the horrible things to you when you were a child, this was the straw the broke the camels back and you're no longer going to communicate with her. If she is at a family event you will be polite to her (have a look for the grey rock method of communication) but you will no longer be sharing any information about you, your children or your family with her and this is all of her doing. You've had enough. You've put up with enough and enough is enough! This ends now.

Then follow through on it.

Be aware that she might go crying to your siblings/aunts/uncles telling them awful stories about you and they may pressure you in to resuming contact, but you know the truth and you don't have to do anything that you don't want to.

Runaway1 · 16/01/2023 16:47

My mum did this. I told her it was grooming and dangerous for my child to think it was normal for people who cared for her to ask her to keep secrets. She agreed and apologised but I have never left them alone since as I don’t trust her not to be abusive in some way.

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 16/01/2023 18:01

To be clear - I did immediately block mum’s FaceTime on all our devices, just in case she snuck through on the family iPad.

Definitely will never ever be leaving them alone together, ever

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LookItsMeAgain · 16/01/2023 18:06

Just seeing your update - well done.

I'd be very cautious about continuing a relationship with her. Make sure you do it on your terms if you do decide to.

Roundabout78 · 16/01/2023 18:06

How fucking DARE she. I’m so angry on your behalf OP! She is suggesting to your daughter that you’ll be abusive to her. I would rip her a new one. I would also block her from my kids devices and go low contact (I would give some serious consideration to cutting her off completely actually).
What does your partner think?

10HailMarys · 16/01/2023 18:08

my 2 brothers and I had a typical 80s/90s upbringing - we got smacked when we misbehaved, grounded for weeks on end, random rules like no going into the kitchen after 7pm etc

This doesn't sound 'typical' to me, to be honest. I had an 80s childhood and I don't know anyone who was grounded 'for weeks on end' or had rules about when they were allowed to set foot in the kitchen.

Beamur · 16/01/2023 18:10

Well done your DD for telling you and to you too for creating that trust.
Your Mum needs keeping at arms length. It's good she lives abroad!
I'd keep contact low and tightly supervised.
If she asks why she's blocked on Face time I would tell her. You don't tell children to keep secrets and lie to their parents.

Beamur · 16/01/2023 18:11

Btw I think your upbringing sounds more abusive than perhaps you have admitted to yourself.

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