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Nursery improvements notice

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WombatStewForTea · 15/01/2023 16:51

Had anyone's child been at a nursery where there has been problems found and a welfare requirements notice issued? This is where they give the nursery a list of changes that need to be made and come back and check.
Or is a nurse worker that's experienced this?

Situation is that dad's nursery have had this after a complaint back in August. Investigated Oct, revisited in Nov and Dec until compliant and we've only just found out now (3 weeks after report published)

I know with standard inspections it has to be kept confidential until the report is published but guidance I've found online for these types of visit states parents should be kept informed at all times.

I just want to know if they've been shady in not telling us or whether they were doing as told and keeping confidential.

Issues are all resolved and have no problem with the Nursery's care.

OP posts:
WombatStewForTea · 15/01/2023 16:54

nursery worker and dd's
Stupid typos

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Glamourgal1989 · 16/01/2023 17:13

They really should have told you. Ousted should have take all the parents details and contacted. They didn’t get in touch at all ?

WombatStewForTea · 16/01/2023 21:13

Nope nothing!
Nursery have claimed today that they were told by Ofsted to keep it quiet not sure I believe them

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Greendoorsaremyfavourite · 16/01/2023 21:29

We weren't told when this happened at DS nursery. They implemented the changes and were marked 'outstanding' a month later though.

Glamourgal1989 · 17/01/2023 21:34

@WombatStewForTea its a lie ! An absolute lie, they are obliged to share the outcome of the inspection.

Nimbostratus100 · 17/01/2023 21:38

what were the issues? Could be something serious, or just paperwork not in alphabetical order or something.

For context, I worked in a school that was given a "fail" by ofsted. The school was not even being ofstedded. A local primary was being ofstedded and they used our sports field. Our school was "Failed" becasue the primary teacher bringing her class in wasn't ordered to show ID - even though the security guard knew her personally

so we went through the pantomime of showing each other ID, every time we walked through the gate, even when we knew each other well, and we stopped being a "fail"

sometimes, the fails just dont mean anything

AbreathofFrenchair · 17/01/2023 21:47

WombatStewForTea · 15/01/2023 16:51

Had anyone's child been at a nursery where there has been problems found and a welfare requirements notice issued? This is where they give the nursery a list of changes that need to be made and come back and check.
Or is a nurse worker that's experienced this?

Situation is that dad's nursery have had this after a complaint back in August. Investigated Oct, revisited in Nov and Dec until compliant and we've only just found out now (3 weeks after report published)

I know with standard inspections it has to be kept confidential until the report is published but guidance I've found online for these types of visit states parents should be kept informed at all times.

I just want to know if they've been shady in not telling us or whether they were doing as told and keeping confidential.

Issues are all resolved and have no problem with the Nursery's care.

If a nursery has been reported to Ofsted over a welfare concern, Ofsted will show up to inspect with no notice to the nursery. Once they have inspected, they will then (if needed) issue a welfare notice along with what the welfare issues were and the time frames they have to complete them.

Nurseries can tell parents before or wait the report is published. If it was a routine inspection then parents can't be informed until the report is published.

Usually with welfare reports, families are told asap but it depends on what it is. Some welfare reports require an immediate shut down for 6 weeks or given, say, 2 or 3 months to procedures in place before the next inspection.

Theres a nursery by us who had a huge list of welfare requirements to be met and they lost a lot of parents but they were upfront and honest and shared plans with how they were dealing with it with the parents

AbreathofFrenchair · 17/01/2023 21:50

Glamourgal1989 · 16/01/2023 17:13

They really should have told you. Ousted should have take all the parents details and contacted. They didn’t get in touch at all ?

Ofsted wont contact parents if their inspection is a welfare one due to a complaint made. This is because they just show up without warning to these types of inspections

If it's a routine then they let you know the day before but can also just turn up. You then have to let parents know Ofsted are on site and they can talk to them if they choose

AbreathofFrenchair · 17/01/2023 21:54

Nimbostratus100 · 17/01/2023 21:38

what were the issues? Could be something serious, or just paperwork not in alphabetical order or something.

For context, I worked in a school that was given a "fail" by ofsted. The school was not even being ofstedded. A local primary was being ofstedded and they used our sports field. Our school was "Failed" becasue the primary teacher bringing her class in wasn't ordered to show ID - even though the security guard knew her personally

so we went through the pantomime of showing each other ID, every time we walked through the gate, even when we knew each other well, and we stopped being a "fail"

sometimes, the fails just dont mean anything

Ofsted don't "fail" you though.

You can be downgraded, is that what you mean?

Also what you all think is a "pantomime" of showing your ID is basic safeguarding and shows your lack of understanding around this.

Ofsted also wouldn't downgrade you for not showing your own ID in your own school but would if you let another person in from a different site.

It's about getting you all into the habit so if someone shows up you don't immediately recognise, you automatically ID them and check their badge.

That's why Ofsted don't offer their ID on inspections and wait to be asked, to see if people understand safeguarding and do check.

Nimbostratus100 · 17/01/2023 22:00

AbreathofFrenchair · 17/01/2023 21:54

Ofsted don't "fail" you though.

You can be downgraded, is that what you mean?

Also what you all think is a "pantomime" of showing your ID is basic safeguarding and shows your lack of understanding around this.

Ofsted also wouldn't downgrade you for not showing your own ID in your own school but would if you let another person in from a different site.

It's about getting you all into the habit so if someone shows up you don't immediately recognise, you automatically ID them and check their badge.

That's why Ofsted don't offer their ID on inspections and wait to be asked, to see if people understand safeguarding and do check.

it was a load of nothing - we dont check ID when we know each other, unless ofsted are watching.

Jazzy21 · 17/01/2023 22:03

I can believe that about Ofsted! By the time I left teaching, my eyes had been and well and truly opened…

Jazzy21 · 17/01/2023 22:04

Random “and” in there!

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