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That it's not fair that care workers' work can be cancelled just like that?

56 replies

Spareprincess · 13/01/2023 22:18

Hello!

Long time lurker and have finally made an account as mumsnet keeps asking me to sign in!

Anyway, I am a resting actor and am currently temporarily working in the care sector. Really, it is an eye~opener and I'm surprised it is legal to treat carers like this.

Society and the clients' families totally look down on us and even some of the clients are rude (I accept some can't help this ~ eg clients with dementia etc. Unpaid periods of time driving to the next client (how is that ok?). Terrible conditions to work in as some clients' homes are filthy and some are smokers (which I try to get around by opening windows or by working days those clients don't have calls).

The worst thing (for me) though is that clients keep cancelling us last minute, or the agency can't be arsed to tell us until the last minute etc. 3 x times this week I've been cancelled a few hours' before a lady's visit, only to be told she has decided to go out for lunch. Do we get paid for the cancelled visit? Do we heck...

It is a zero hour contract tbf, but the agency do the rota for a month ahead so it feels like we are committed to them but not the other way round. We can't cancel the visit if we decide not to go and we commit so much to them.

The clients don't seem to realise we don't get paid for a cancelled call. Or do they just not care? I really don't know.

And when things go missing, the families immediately suspect us. The agency won't even stick up for us and give us the benefit of the doubt. They~ like the families ~ just come out and ask us if we took something. So rude. Sorry, I think I've had enough of it and I've only been there for 3 months.

Just fed up as I fancied a job where I could help people whilst I have time off from auditions, and was hoping I'd be able to do it on and off for the foreseeable.

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WomanFromTheNorth · 14/01/2023 08:16

This is precisely why we need unions. People take for granted many things about their working conditions that they only have because of unions. But no, yanbu at all. It's disgusting.

Brefugee · 14/01/2023 08:18

It works both ways - care workers turning up late (with no explanation), spending half their time on their phone, announcing they were leaving earlier than booked on the pretext of a dental appointment at 3.30 pm (coincidentally when children come out of school)….

shitty pay and conditions, though. If the pay and conditions were better maybe the carers would feel more responsible towards their employers and clients?

OP it's shit. Leave and go to a new employer. And good luck with the acting career (the Handlebards are casting for the summer season, if you like cycling and Shakespeare would that be something for you?)

MockneyReject · 14/01/2023 08:33

Dominoes is a zero hours contract.
Also, I can't work evenings, because of being a lone parent, and not being able to safely drive in the dark.
Dominoes wouldn't be enough hours, so I would have to turn down shifts in order to attend Jobseeker interviews. My nearest Jobcentre is 20 miles away and has limited opening hours. I would have to plan my day around those, and the 2 hourly bus in to the town.
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Dominoes scooter wouldn't be available to me, outside of work hours. I couldn't use it for Jobcentre interviews, or school runs, or medical appointments. The hospital is a 20 mile round trip.

I enjoy care work. I just don't enjoy the fact that I barely break even.

MockneyReject · 14/01/2023 08:52

Also, how would I earn more? I am only qualified for minimum wage work. The 70% deductions would apply anywhere.

ChristmasFluff · 14/01/2023 08:59

You might be better off working as a Bank worker for a care home - these are still zero hours contracts, but they won't cancel you, and you retain choice over the shifts they offer - so the zero hours works both ways.

They do still do rotas in advance, but because you can refuse work, they tend to give you the hours you want. They also will phone you to cover if anyone isn't coming in - but again, you can say no.

Of course, if you are completely inflexible, they will start giving more shifts to people who are more flexible - but Bank staff get treated a lot better in care homes than working in people's own homes.

Also worth noting that the organising company will be getting paid for the cancelled calls, since they are block bookings and often paid by the Local Council - so they are making money off you.

Quisquam · 14/01/2023 09:28

shitty pay and conditions, though. If the pay and conditions were better maybe the carers would feel more responsible towards their employers and clients?

Millions of people work on the NMW - DD2 is one of them. The agency paid travel between clients, except travel from home to their first client, and to home from the last, as they said employees always had to travel to and from work.

Imo, there weren’t shitty conditions in my house - it was accepted to be too stressful for one person to look after DD1 on their own. They came from 10 am to 6 pm, to help me with her and mainly to keep her entertained - playing games, reading with her, colouring in the mornings, while I did the housework and paperwork and then we’d both take her out in the afternoons to the cinema, 10 pin bowling, shopping, etc.

Getinajollymood · 14/01/2023 09:47

Millions of people work on the NMW

indeed they do, which is still no use if they cannot live off it.

The trouble is that many jobs that might pay more per hour or have better working conditions may not offer enough hours’ work to match the total present wage. And anyway, it isn’t easy to change jobs without problems with things like training and pay - when I did this job, many, many years ago (in another life really) each agency or care home would have its own training, usually three days and unpaid, as well as paying for your own DBS and uniform.

It is because caring is women’s work. That attitude is embedded still in the values society apportions to the jobs people do. Women’s work is almost free, it’s a natural function, any woman can do it because that’s what she’s born to do. Cleaning bottoms and being kind doesn’t require qualifications, no, not even dealing with death, disease, Christmas Day, Sunday mornings, dark winter nights, baking heatwaves, smoke, abuse, dementia, shit. A mechanic cleaning parts of a car gets a higher rank than a care assistant cleaning old people.

How can such good work be worth so shamefully little I do not know but until we pay more we get what we deserve, each and every one of us.

MockneyReject · 14/01/2023 09:53

Yes, bank work tends to be better conditions. I used to work on a ward, and bank/agency staff were really just there to make up the numbers, as they weren't familiar with patients/ward routines etc.

It wouldn't work for me, though, at the current time, as I wouldn't have a car, if I left my current job, so couldn't get to the hospital/care homes. Or Dominoes.

Saz12 · 14/01/2023 10:21

Zero hours contracts are appalling as they only ever work one way. They DO (in theory!) mean that employers can reduce hours / de-rota a carer who gets vague negative comments eg her “just not being kind” which wouldn’t be sackable but would make them unsuited to caring.

Dealing with someone who may be very confused, who likely has resisted having a carer and is hyper-sensitive to them “interfering”. It’s not a case of breezing in, giving a happy-and-grateful fluffy old lady her tablets and toiletting, then leaving again.

XelaM · 14/01/2023 10:44

1hyuny · 14/01/2023 08:00

Why do you do it? It's the only way you can afford a car? That makes no sense. You could literally do almost any other job by the sounds of it and earn more 🤔delivering for domino's would pay more for example as a similar role with less responsibility.

This! AmazonFlex pays more and there is zero responsibility or stress (compared to care work)

MockneyReject · 14/01/2023 11:00

XelaM · 14/01/2023 10:44

This! AmazonFlex pays more and there is zero responsibility or stress (compared to care work)

Amazon flex requires you to have your own car. I don't have my own car.
And my earnings would still be subject to 70% deductions. I'd be no better off.

stopringingme · 14/01/2023 11:09

It is bad for clients too, my Dad gets charged for his carer if he doesn't give 72hours notice he doesn't need them as he is feeling poorly, he is 90 he cannot plan illness or having a fall and being taken to hospital.

He doesn't leave the house so it is not a case of he has suddenly decided to go to lunch.

It is unfair to blame the client, there will be some who misuse the system but it is the companies who charge a great deal of money and make huge profits that should treat their staff fairer.

GabriellaMontez · 14/01/2023 11:10

Everything that's wrong with zero hours contracts. A disgusting way to treat people doing such a valuable job. Critical to keeping people out of hospital and keeping beds available.

MockneyReject · 14/01/2023 11:16

I don't think anyone is blaming the client.
And the profit margins aren't as great as you might think.
We do a lot of local authority work. They pay the bare minimum and their timings are tight. A private client might 'buy' an hour for a carer to unlock the house, open the curtains, wake them up, help them out of bed and in to a wheelchair, shower, dry, dress, prepare breakfast, give medications, change the bedding, wash up and put a load of laundry on. The LA would give 30-45 minutes. I would LOVE to sit and chat over a cup of tea, but when I do, it's in my own time, and only if I can afford to be 10 minutes late for my next client.

Throwncrumbs · 14/01/2023 11:27

Don’t think being a carer is for you. Making comments about clients homes is not on. These clients are paying your wages, you are attending their homes as a paid employee, they are obviously vulnerable or else they wouldn’t need a carer. You sound a snob and prob need to get back to your ‘acting’ career, which I assume isn’t that successful seeing as you have to look for other alternatives to make money. People who need carers need people who actually ‘care’ which appears to be not you!

Andsoforth · 14/01/2023 11:30

My df’s carers were lovely people and brought so much to his life at the end. By taking care of his intimate needs, they allowed him to keep his dignity with his family for as long as possible. He absolutely craved the social contact with them and took a huge interest in their lives.

The agency they worked for was awful. I won’t go into details but they were exploiting both the workers and clients. Utterly shameful.

I’m really sorry to hear about your experience op, but I want you to know that the work you are doing really matters.

MockneyReject · 14/01/2023 12:09

Throwncrumbs · 14/01/2023 11:27

Don’t think being a carer is for you. Making comments about clients homes is not on. These clients are paying your wages, you are attending their homes as a paid employee, they are obviously vulnerable or else they wouldn’t need a carer. You sound a snob and prob need to get back to your ‘acting’ career, which I assume isn’t that successful seeing as you have to look for other alternatives to make money. People who need carers need people who actually ‘care’ which appears to be not you!

But some houses ARE filthy, and some people DO smoke!
I have a gentleman who is a hoarder and whose personal hygiene is poor - his choice. He has the heating on maximum 24/7 and fries all his food. He isn't supposed to smoke for 20 minutes before we visit, but he does. So, yes, it is an uncomfortable working environment. Should I refuse to do his care, which I would be within my rights to do? I don't, btw. I have a second tunic in the car boot, which I put on, on top of my other one. So, I'm even hotter, and I have extra laundry to do, but I don't take the smell in to my next client's home.
You seem to think carers should be grateful for those working conditions!

Spareprincess · 14/01/2023 13:03

@Whatifitallgoesright , you're not wrong~ it is an all-consuming job with stress and worry for low pay. I also feel for the rota-makers. V big responsibility.

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Spareprincess · 14/01/2023 13:06

It's mad isn't it @Hingey . And I really feel for you @ASimpleLampoon - hope you and your child have good care going forwards. There are so many amazing carers out there. x

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Shesasuperfreak · 14/01/2023 13:16

Try IFF research I worked there for 4 months last year.
All online £11ph. Mostly evening or weekend shifts. Bonuses paid aswell.
Downside is that the shift availability can change one week there may be only a few shifts available.
When you join keepnyour old job until you get used to it.
I left because I have anxiety chatting to people on the phone.

Spareprincess · 14/01/2023 13:23

@RambamThankyouMam ~ I do also do some acting coaching but that can also be cancelled at short notice unfortunately! I have also applied to do activities' work in care homes but heard nothing back as of yet.

Also thinking of training to teach kids at Stagecoach drama school. We'll see!

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Spareprincess · 14/01/2023 13:25

Still catching up with replies btw, but had to say that @MockneyReject, you sound like an absolutely incredible person. Have you thought about training to work as a counsellor or mediator? It's sounds like you have great empathy for people.

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Spareprincess · 14/01/2023 13:57

Meow, @Throwncrumbs ~ a bit of bitchiness or jealousy there methinks?

I'm not here to talk about my acting career so I won't rise to that (you're not worth it), but I can assure you that I'm a very caring person and that's what's important. Most carers are absolutely brilliant as I've recently discovered.

But 10/10 for effort, love! X

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Pammyt123 · 16/12/2023 06:08

Clients have to give a certain notice period to cancel calls. So I'm guessing your agency is pocketing the money. I still get paid for cancelled calls.

Man101 · 30/04/2024 21:06

please I need help about the care work . My soul is troubled at the moment because my job is killing me and I don’t know who to run to for help. I wake up every morning 5:30am to come back 10pm and my salary at the end of the month will be 500 pounds. I’m sick , my mental health is affected , I don’t have time for my kids or family anymore. My question is , why is my company paying me for the little time I spend with each client instead of paying me the hours I left home and spend on the job the entire day ? Take for instance, I wake up drive to client 1 spend 10 minutes , then go to client 2 spend 5 minutes , in a day i will visit like 15clients and my company will calculate these little minutes to make hours , so some days my hours can be 4hrs meanwhile I spent the entire day moving around and caring for clients . Is this how it’s done or I am being taking advantage of?

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