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To consider getting legal advice about nasty neighbours?

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Looklively · 12/01/2023 18:15

Not sure if this really qualifies as an AIBU question, but here goes… strap yourselves in, it’s a long one:
We have a neighbour who has relentlessly pursued us through the council about the installation of an air con condenser unit that was installed in 2020. We were reassured that it was not in contravention of any existing regulations by the supplier who initially put it up on the side of the house overlooking the neighbour’s garden. The neighbour’s garden sits to the side of our property, and the unit was positioned on our wall at second storey level, above our garden path which separates the properties (so visible from the end of their garden).
The neighbour started berating the installation team as they were working, complaining that it was against the planning act and that they should stop work immediately. At no point did they try to talk to us - instead they put a snotty letter through the door. It got to the point that the installation team called the police (unbeknown to me) and the neighbour apparently got a warning. The supplier meanwhile reiterated that putting up the unit didn’t fall within the planning act’s limitations, as the unit was positioned further than 6ft away from the neighbour’s property.
We then received a call from the council planning dept saying they’d had a complaint and could they come and look at where the unit was positioned, as they needed to decide if we should apply for planning or not. They came out and said it was technically a moot point as the planning laws haven’t yet been updated to allow ‘air source heat pumps’ to be installed within a certain distance of neighbouring properties - albeit ours was on the limits. They recommended we moved the unit to keep the peace, so the supplier came back and put it on our back wall, well away from the neighbour, out of sight and presumably that was that.
Three months later we had another call from the council - this time Environmental Health, who asked if they could come and check the noise pollution levels as they’d received another complaint from the same neighbour. And this was BEFORE we had ever even used the air con! We duly had them round to test the noise levels (it’s a modern unit that already meets the prescribed decibel levels) and they managed to record an aeroplane overhead and a bird tweeting next to them that was louder!
Environmental Health commiserated with us for having such CFs as neighbours and reassured us that it was unlikely to go anywhere as it was all completely overblown. That was six months ago.
Today I received yet another call from Env Health, asking again to come and measure the sound levels of our unit. Luckily it went to voicemail, otherwise my mouth would’ve got the better of me.
All the while said neighbour studiously avoids all possible contact - blatantly ignores my husband when he says hello and generally acts like a bit of a prick (inviting all the neighbours except us for drinks in their garden). I wouldn’t mind if we’d been running the air con at full tilt for the whole summer and it had somehow managed to disturb them (it’s underneath and next to our bedroom windows and we don’t hear it - and we’re light sleepers) but due to the ridiculous energy pricing situation we only had it on a handful of times during the heatwave and never since.
So dear MNers (if you haven’t dozed off yet) WWYD? I’m not rushing to call EH back since I’m not feeling very magnanimous (surprisingly) and wonder if it’s unreasonable to feel persecuted and bother to get solicitors involved, or if it will only make the problem worse?

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MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 12/01/2023 20:41

My job is dealing with neighbiur disputes and your neighbours are allowed to report you, at this stage I wouldn't professionally class this as harassment but I can see why you feel this way.

My advice is do not delay in responding to EH, just give them the reference number from your previous case (it'll be on their previous correspondence) remind them it had already been checked but they're welcome to come again if they want.

I know from experience sometimes when busy we get so many new cases we dont make the connection that we have had the case before

OllytheCollie · 12/01/2023 20:52

Ach we have dickhead neighbours who send abusive letters. Remember your response, even an angry one, is a massive motivation for them. Just calmly getting on with your life and ignoring this crap is both the most irritating thing you can do and probably the most sensible. You already know EH aren't remotely concerned about the unit. Who knows why this bothers them so much. The thing that pissed our neighbors off would be outing but it is so unbelievably trivial. It's not surprising there was a big gap and the nonsense started up. Festering resentment festers like that. They can't resolve their feelings of unhappiness constructively so it comes out as trying to cause trouble and upset. It must be utterly miserable to live your life feeling unhappy about an AC unit you can't even see.

rachelvbwho · 12/01/2023 21:02

The neighbour is a pain but I don't see how it can be amounting to harassment or why a lawyer or police would get involved (nor why you would want them too).

They complained in 2020 at installation, again a few months later to the council, and then again another six months later to the council again?

Like it is a pain but they aren't harassing you directly, it's three complaints over 2 years to a third party that have been sorted out pretty quickly.

If they were regularly contacting you directly, shouting at you in the street/over the fence then I'd get it. But sending a solicitors letter or starting legal proceedings over 3 minor incidents which have been dismissed without issue from the council /environmental health.... Seems a bit much.

Looklively · 12/01/2023 21:07

rachelvbwho · 12/01/2023 21:02

The neighbour is a pain but I don't see how it can be amounting to harassment or why a lawyer or police would get involved (nor why you would want them too).

They complained in 2020 at installation, again a few months later to the council, and then again another six months later to the council again?

Like it is a pain but they aren't harassing you directly, it's three complaints over 2 years to a third party that have been sorted out pretty quickly.

If they were regularly contacting you directly, shouting at you in the street/over the fence then I'd get it. But sending a solicitors letter or starting legal proceedings over 3 minor incidents which have been dismissed without issue from the council /environmental health.... Seems a bit much.

Yup, you see that’s why I posted because when you put it like that it does seem like a storm in a teacup. I guess I just feel like we’ve done our bit to de-escalate and pacify the bloke, but when he can’t even bring himself to be civil in the street it really peeves me that he would continue to be such a cretin.

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watchfulwishes · 12/01/2023 21:09

You haven't done anything to pacify - you were told by the council to move the unit and you did. What have you done to de-escalate?

It sounds like you are wanting to escalate now, tbh.

p.s. the word 'cretin' is offensive

rachelvbwho · 12/01/2023 21:17

Looklively · 12/01/2023 21:07

Yup, you see that’s why I posted because when you put it like that it does seem like a storm in a teacup. I guess I just feel like we’ve done our bit to de-escalate and pacify the bloke, but when he can’t even bring himself to be civil in the street it really peeves me that he would continue to be such a cretin.

It is a storm in a teacup and any formal action is just going to make it worse.

Let him ignore you in the street, just laugh about it when he doesn't invite you to garden parties.... He's the sad one getting stressed about an A/C unit. You can laugh about the pettyness with your partner/friends- I recommend coming up with a fun nickname that amuses you.... Ours is called 'Lawnmower man' 😀

Just move on and don't make it worse- because escalating it will only encourage him.

Looklively · 13/01/2023 12:03

watchfulwishes · 12/01/2023 21:09

You haven't done anything to pacify - you were told by the council to move the unit and you did. What have you done to de-escalate?

It sounds like you are wanting to escalate now, tbh.

p.s. the word 'cretin' is offensive

Actually, the council said we didn't have to move it - it was their suggestion we did it to keep the peace. The alternative was to apply for planning permission to leave it where it was. We decided to move it, to try and de-escalate the situation and pacify the neighbour.

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parietal · 13/01/2023 12:11

just ignore everything from him. this is not worth an ounce of your time or attention.

let him talk to the council and fuss - he will only make himself miserable.

invite everyone else on the street to a garden party and have a nice time.

SeasonFinale · 13/01/2023 12:24

I am also in the "ignore" camp as that will surely wind them up more. A cease and desist will make them believe they have a moral victory for you having to pay out a solicitor. Ignoring them drives them made because they aren't sure if EH contacted you or not!

SeasonFinale · 13/01/2023 12:25

*mad not made

TilerSwift · 13/01/2023 12:39

I think most councils will have a vexatious complaints policy these days, so I would ring EH back and refer them to their own policy to see if his continued complaining fits the criteria.

AmandaHoldensLips · 13/01/2023 12:47

I wouldn't bother going "legal". Neighbour disputes can easily get badly out of hand and it's never worth it.

Just ignore the neighbour.

Any further contact from any council departments, just explain to them that you have a vexatious neighbour and it would be better if they explained to him that there is no issue to answer rather than wasting any more of your time.

SlurpSlooChortle · 13/01/2023 13:05

I would truly hope that if you call EH to explain what you've told us and they see the previous complaints, plus the fact they are saying you're using an A/C unit in January- that they realise your neighbours are trying to cause trouble.

Squirespot · 13/01/2023 13:10

AmandaHoldensLips · 13/01/2023 12:47

I wouldn't bother going "legal". Neighbour disputes can easily get badly out of hand and it's never worth it.

Just ignore the neighbour.

Any further contact from any council departments, just explain to them that you have a vexatious neighbour and it would be better if they explained to him that there is no issue to answer rather than wasting any more of your time.

I agree

ApolloandDaphne · 13/01/2023 13:14

I would just let them come out and see how ridiculous your neighbours are being.

Oysterbabe · 13/01/2023 13:15

I'd be tempted to knock on the door, try and have a civil conversation.

Reugny · 13/01/2023 13:24

AmandaHoldensLips · 13/01/2023 12:47

I wouldn't bother going "legal". Neighbour disputes can easily get badly out of hand and it's never worth it.

Just ignore the neighbour.

Any further contact from any council departments, just explain to them that you have a vexatious neighbour and it would be better if they explained to him that there is no issue to answer rather than wasting any more of your time.

This.

Only if he does something else e.g. commit fraud against you, get solicitors involved.

MinnieGirl · 13/01/2023 13:26

I wouldn’t worry about him not talking…. Might be better he doesn’t in the circumstances!
But I would phone EH asap. Tell them about the previous visits, giving them the reference number. They haven’t got the staff to keep mucking about, so it’s unlikely they will come out. But if they want to be welcoming. Also mention how many times you have used it etc….
You know the neighbour won’t get anywhere, and there’s absolutely no need for solicitors to be involved.

Tessasanderson · 13/01/2023 15:11

Sounds like a lot of hassle for something you 'only' used once or twice last year. Why bother?

Reugny · 13/01/2023 15:32

Tessasanderson · 13/01/2023 15:11

Sounds like a lot of hassle for something you 'only' used once or twice last year. Why bother?

The OP hasn't said where they live.

In London and the SE last year those with air conditioning would have used it for a month especially in the week we had 40 degree temperatures.

Viviennemary · 13/01/2023 15:36

If it's noisy then i can see why your neighbours aren't happy.,

TheFlis12345 · 13/01/2023 15:44

It’s not noise though is it? Environment health have already said it isn’t.

Your neighbours just sound vindictive OP, I would ignore them but let your other neighbours know about the petty vendetta they have against you.

Edinburghmusing · 13/01/2023 15:49

I would allow the council to do their job and make an independent assessment of the noise

sounds like you have nothing to worry about

it is a privilege to live in a country where councils care about noise complaints tbh

whumpthereitis · 13/01/2023 15:58

Tessasanderson · 13/01/2023 15:11

Sounds like a lot of hassle for something you 'only' used once or twice last year. Why bother?

Probably because, on the occasions they do use it, it’s fucking brilliant.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 13/01/2023 16:25

Viviennemary · 13/01/2023 15:36

If it's noisy then i can see why your neighbours aren't happy.,

Come on Viv. Read what the OP has said. It isn't noisy. It's under her bedroom window.

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