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To think you should downsize your council house if it’s just you?

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OuchOuchOuchh · 12/01/2023 09:58

Oh my goodness I have created war at work and everyone is gunning for me.

My auntie has a huge 4 bedroom council house she has lived there since the 90s with her one son. That has now moved out.

All i said was I think it’s unfair that she’s living in such a big family home perfect for a family to bring their kids up in. Large garden backs on to the woods plenty of visits from deers and fox’s it’s beautiful! Anyway all I said is that if you haven’t purchased the property in a certain amount of time you should have to downsize if it’s just you living there.

Theres families overcrowded and can’t get anywhere then you have my auntie paying £100 a week in rent for a massive house for just herself.

please tell me if I am being an asshole! I appreciate it’s her family home but it just doesn’t seem fair to me.

OP posts:
Anonymouseposter · 13/01/2023 18:23

If there are decent two bedoomed bungalows or small houses in a safe area available then yes. If it involves moving into a block of flats with lots of social issues and not in an area that feels safe, then no. Both social and private housing stock lacks suitable accommodation for single older people.

Kabalagala · 13/01/2023 18:24

Anonymouseposter · 13/01/2023 18:23

If there are decent two bedoomed bungalows or small houses in a safe area available then yes. If it involves moving into a block of flats with lots of social issues and not in an area that feels safe, then no. Both social and private housing stock lacks suitable accommodation for single older people.

So only young people should have to live in undesirable housing? Why?

ForTheLoveOfSleep · 13/01/2023 18:24

FlozzaR · 13/01/2023 17:58

But the reason you've been able to spend thousands on the place to turn it into your perfect home is because you've been subsidised by the tax payer for a cheap property for years.

Not subsidised. Runs at profit/surplus. So on and so forth.....🥱

Have attached an example upthread

Dancingonthemoonlight · 13/01/2023 18:25

I have a 3 bed housing association house, my kids are still young but when they do eventually move out I won't be downsizing. It's my home, I'm the one paying for it/decorating it/making it look better than it was. The only way I'd move is through mutual exchange to another property equal size to the one I have now.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 13/01/2023 18:25

Anonymouseposter · 13/01/2023 18:23

If there are decent two bedoomed bungalows or small houses in a safe area available then yes. If it involves moving into a block of flats with lots of social issues and not in an area that feels safe, then no. Both social and private housing stock lacks suitable accommodation for single older people.

Oh god no. They're not allowed to be 2 bed. I've been told on this thread how disgusting my nan is because she's in a 2 bed bungalow.

Meinmytree · 13/01/2023 18:26

I have a grandparent who was alone in a council house for a long time. 3 bed, decent size, very close to a very good state high school. There would have been so many families who could have made good use of the house, but should she had been uprooted from a house where she'd lived for decades? Where she was, she was also very close to several family members, which reduced the need for care, so saving the state money that way.

Eyerollcentral · 13/01/2023 18:32

Kabalagala · 13/01/2023 18:24

So only young people should have to live in undesirable housing? Why?

Yeah that’s what she is saying…🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

April506 · 13/01/2023 18:35

She’s been there since the 90s and had a family when she moved into it . If you’re over 60 they won’t force you to move but they will offer you a more suitable home

HammergoHammer · 13/01/2023 18:35

I'm sorry but I agree it's an untenable situation. It's sad that people will have to move but most people downsize eventually. I know so many families who live in overcrowded and frankly unsafe situations, most who privately rent one bed flats with multiple small children. You can spend decades on the housing list. When your children have friends over it's not fair that they can only play in their mum and dads bedroom and not have their own room. I would find it very hard to live with myself if I lived in a three bed house alone knowing there were others so in need.
We're downsizing now as a family of four because our house is too big and I don't feel we make enough of it. And we own it! I tried to sell it back to the council but they wouldn't buy it, as they don't buy housing stock back.

Agehdidbfkgjsgwgzbzk · 13/01/2023 18:36

I think ouch ouch ouch you are just jealous of your aunt if it was you in the big four bed council property paying £100 a week rent then all would be fine!! If you aunt gets housing benefit and doesn’t pay the rent herself then maybe she should consider down sizing but she shouldn’t be forced to.

April506 · 13/01/2023 18:36

my friend lives alone in a three bed council house paid for by council .. she is 72 and sadly it’s pretty much a hoarder house . It’s very sad really I just hope she can get the energy to move to a smaller house before she ends up hurting herself

Ifeelsuchafool · 13/01/2023 18:37

I agree she doesn't need a four bedroomed house, but councils and housing associations are too quick to push such tenants into one bedroomed flats.
I am on the waiting list for a housing association property, having two underlying chronic conditions which already limit my mobility somewhat at 63 and will only deteriorate as I get older.
I'm having to fight for a two bed property so that AC are able to visit when I have flare ups and to cover the fact that periodic live in care is going to become more and more frequent as I age.
No wonder the scourge of old age is loneliness!

Kabalagala · 13/01/2023 18:39

Eyerollcentral · 13/01/2023 18:32

Yeah that’s what she is saying…🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Kind of is though.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 13/01/2023 18:40

Kabalagala · 13/01/2023 18:39

Kind of is though.

No. It isn't. Not everyone is a twat

MrsPetty · 13/01/2023 18:41

So true that nobody would question a person living alone in a large house that they owned or rented privately. @Thesonglastslonger You sound bitter! She didn’t ‘borrow’ it. She paid the correct rent all the years that she lived there. The ‘pittance’ that she paid is a ‘not for profit’ calculation by the council that she rents from. But now that her children have grown up, she has to leave the home that she cared for and rent for someone’s else profit??

FlozzaR · 13/01/2023 18:43

Sorry I couldn't answer sooner but I work full time so don't spent all day on these message boards.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 13/01/2023 18:44

FlozzaR · 13/01/2023 18:43

Sorry I couldn't answer sooner but I work full time so don't spent all day on these message boards.

I don't spend all day on them either. But when I do post I don't post incorrect bs

FlozzaR · 13/01/2023 18:46

So you would deny another family in need just because you want to keep hold of something you don't need any more?

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 13/01/2023 18:47

FlozzaR · 13/01/2023 18:46

So you would deny another family in need just because you want to keep hold of something you don't need any more?

I was referring to your subsided comment... I'm not repeating myself anymore

Kabalagala · 13/01/2023 18:50

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 13/01/2023 18:40

No. It isn't. Not everyone is a twat

Can't possibly move old people to blocks of flats with social issues. What about the people who already live there? Some of them might be old. All of them eventually will be old. You can't pick and choose who needs "nice" housing...

DietrichandDiMaggio · 13/01/2023 18:50

ArcheryAnnie · 12/01/2023 10:33

Council houses and flats weren't supposed to be a thing offered as a temporary solution to individual housing crisis, they were there to create long-term housing for ordinary people.

The solution is to end the right to buy (which is where I disagree with the OP), and build more. Social housing shouldn't be a scarce resource that people fight over.

Yes. The amount of people who think council houses were built for people in poverty/unemployed is ridiculous. They were built to provide well built, secure homes with decent landlords who would maintain them and charge a fair rent.
When council houses were introduced, private rents were not 2 or 3 times as much, but the standard of private rentals was often poor.
Now, private rents are inflated, because greedy landlords want to make money out of people who are not in a position to buy, for whatever reason. Social landlords are not trying to make a profit. Private landlords have pushed up the cost of houses, thus making it increasingly difficult for people who would like to buy to move from rentals.
What we need is the cost of housing to fall, both for buyers and private renters, but funnily enough those who have seen the value of their house rise a huge amount without them having to do anything, don't want that.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 13/01/2023 18:50

Kabalagala · 13/01/2023 18:50

Can't possibly move old people to blocks of flats with social issues. What about the people who already live there? Some of them might be old. All of them eventually will be old. You can't pick and choose who needs "nice" housing...

What the heck are you talking about?

Hazelbrazil · 13/01/2023 18:51

Should be made easier for owners and renters to downsize so families with children have more space

SnacksRLife · 13/01/2023 18:51

uhtredsonofuhtred1 · 12/01/2023 10:09

I live in a lovely 3 bed council house. At the moment I've got 4 children at home and need it.

I've often wondered what I'll do when they've all left home. I've spent a fortune already on home improvements and will no doubt spend £1000's more over the next 10-15 years. So why should I then downsize to something that would most likely be shit inside, a flat where who knows what the neighbours would be like, away from my neighbours who are a source of support. Now if there was a nicely maintained smaller property in a good area, then I'd definitely consider it. As much as it might seem a waste of space, it's my home and as long as I pay the rent then why shouldn't I live here? I am not responsible for the families that need a bigger home, it's the governments fault for not replacing the housing stock or for not coming down tougher on rogue private landlords who don't keep their properties of a good standard at a decent price

But that’s the point, it’s not “your” home. It’s just like any other rental property, it just so happens you’ve rented it for however many years. I too think that you should downsize if you don’t need the space. There are people who cannot have their own children live with them because there are no houses big enough. People living in overcrowded conditions because others are taking the space they really don’t need. People who own their own homes downsize all the time, and the houses they sell are actually their homes.

Kabalagala · 13/01/2023 18:53

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 13/01/2023 18:50

What the heck are you talking about?

Please reread the original comment I was responding to. Explain how it can interpreted otherwise.

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