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Need advice after split, Exh still thinks I'm here to facilitate his work, etc.

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Nchangeagain · 11/01/2023 16:18

Hi,
Posting on behalf of a friend. She split from her dh early last year. No one else involved, she just fell out of love and had tried to talk to him about it for a few years, to no avail. They'd been together 15 years, married for 12. Both mid 30s.

They have a 7 year old child and a 15yo and previously she worked around his hours so that they didn't need to pay for childcare. He insisted on 50/50 as he didn't want to pay maintenance, but that never materialised and so maintenance is based on 3 nights a week.

The problem is he often only has their youngest dd for 1 day a week and will go upto 12 days between seeing her.
Last month he only had her for 6 days, only 1 of which was a weekend day.
This month he's suggesting 2 days the 1st weekend then no days the 2nd week, then another 2 week days the 3rd week and then 4 days over the last weekend. The month after that it's different again, but 8 days is a lot compared to what he has been doing, and every month it's a fight to get dates from him.

My friend is really stressed as money is really tight and she needs to go back to work, but she'd also like 2 weekends a month free, whereas at the moment he is dictating all the days on a month to month basis and often not telling her until that week so she can't plan anything and definitely wouldn't be able to work.

He works shifts, but his firm has always been flexible with family life, and he was usually always able to change shifts if need be. They actually put him on shifts which meant my friend could work 2 nights a week.

He now says his firm have changed this and he has no choice what he does. I suspect this not to be true as he is hurt and trying to punish her for leaving as he always brings this up as being the consequence of leaving him. He also won't send her a copy of his rota so she can let her work know when she's available ...he says he doesn't know in advance, which is BS.

She ideally would like him to have their dd 1 or 2 nights a week on the weeks he doesn't have a weekend, and 2 weekends a month from Fri after school to Mon school drop off (eg, 2 and 4th or 1st and 3rd). This would mean he has his dd 12 days a month.

She'd like regular days as her youngest dd has high functioning autism and routine is important so atm, she's really struggling with never knowing who's picking her up from school, or where she's going to be sleeping or having dinner. Also, it helps her to plan her life and work, as it would anyone.

Before the split he was a good dad, but atm, he can't see past his hurt and is lashing out, but it's obviously affecting the dd too, but he can't see it, and denies it. He seems to think she still has to fit in with his work schedule and has suggested she get a job to fit in with him and school, which is impossible, especially as he's saying his shifts change every month.

As a side note, he's never upped maintenance to cover the days she actually has their dds, and gets angry and shouts and swears when she tries to discuss it.
She doesn't feel its fair to get the oldest child to babysit and I've not really included them in this post as they aren't really an issue (childcare wise), although he still doesn't pay enough to cover the days they stay with mum (think 2 days when she is there 5 days).

She says to him they should have set days each month and sort out their own childcare on those days, whether it be family, clubs, paid care, etc. He says he gives her maintenance so she should have the dc when he dictates as he's paying her to have them and he needs to work.
She says, they both need to work, and now they're no longer a couple, it isn't for her to fit her life around his shifts, and that the maintenance is to pay towards their food, etc, and not him paying her to 'babysit' them whilst he works.

I've suggested mediation or going to court to make everything official and legal, but she's frightened they'd side with him so she'd be no better off, and I don't know enough about this to advise her so I was hoping for advice from you lovely people on here. She's become so anxious and stressed over this that she's really struggling and can't see a way out.

I know she can't force him to see the dc, but is it likely a judge would say she has to work around him?
My advice to her was that she had just as much right to having a job and a life as he does and her job is just as important as his, so it's up to each of them to facilitate their own job, and sort childcare themselves on their time with the dc. Maybe further down the line they can swap and help each other out if it suits them both, but 1st they need an arrangement in place that allows both of them to move on and have a life/work.

Please can anyone help? 🙏🏻

OP posts:
1Wanda1 · 12/01/2023 18:48

Even if she gets some formal agreement about contact, she can't force him to turn up and collect the kids on "his" days and if he doesn't, it will fall to her so she needs to plan on the basis that he will be unreliable.

She should keep a log of the number of nights he has either or both kids and in April when it's review time for CMS, report the number of nights accordingly.

Musicalmistress · 12/01/2023 18:52

Nchangeagain · 12/01/2023 18:32

Not finished reading all the replies but I can assure you that this isn't for me, @gelatogina et al, who have said it is. What would be the point in pretending?...this is an anonymous forum.

She hasn't been to court, mediation or cms yet as she was hoping they could sort it between them amicably. She's almost at a point where she's going to give up and just make do with what he gives her and will try to get her family to help her out so she can work.

Also, he doesn't shout around the dc ; this has been over the phone to my friend whilst the dc are at school. I'm pretty sure he wasn't a shouty person before they split, so I'm assuming this is him lashing out because he's hurt (not excusing it though).

Nothing about his behaviour is amicable so she needs to stand her ground. First by contacting the CMS for appropriate Mai tenancy then by speaking to a solicitor and getting a court agreement in place. He might not stick to it but she can then ask for a CMS review based on the number of nights he actually has the children.

Musicalmistress · 12/01/2023 18:53

1Wanda1 · 12/01/2023 18:48

Even if she gets some formal agreement about contact, she can't force him to turn up and collect the kids on "his" days and if he doesn't, it will fall to her so she needs to plan on the basis that he will be unreliable.

She should keep a log of the number of nights he has either or both kids and in April when it's review time for CMS, report the number of nights accordingly.

From my reading it doesn't sound like she's gone through the CMS at all yet so could do that as a first port of call and your advice to keep a bit of when he has the DC is good.

Nchangeagain · 12/01/2023 19:13

Thanks for all the replies. It's really appreciated. I'm passing all this over to her.

The main issue is for her is her anxiety surrounding everything, which started a few years ago and has become worse since the split.

The irregular days/last minute changes aren't helping either and with money being so tight stresses are piling up.

I agree that she'll have to go forward assuming no help from him, which is a shame for the dc, as previously he'd been a fairly hands on dad.

I think without understanding how the system works, and with him telling her his job is more important, she's worried to formalise things in case making things official/legal makes it worse for her.

He's also refused paperwork for things like bank statements and pensions.

He was always tight with money, so I could imagine that as soon as she told him she wanted to split he's moved their savings into new accounts. AFAIK, she didn't have access to their savings g accounts so isn't really aware how much should've been in there and he has refused to give her the statements from since they split (only gave her a recent one). Is there a way to force this?

He says he will, but he just doesn't and he has been dragging this out for over 7 months now. There's always an excuse why he can't send them to her.

Is there any way to get the finanacials sorted? I think he wants to remortgage their house (she moved out with the dc), but again has been dragging his heels and I'm sure he wants her to wait a few years 1st, but I'd have to confirm that as it changes a lot depending on his mood.

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grandmashotdoodlebugs · 12/01/2023 20:02

She does need a solicitor. She must get a clean financial break divorce order. He will have to provide his financials on a divorce Form E.
She should expect a minimum 60 40 asset split in her favour - assuming she has not been able to progress her career through the years for childcare. This includes all assets and pensions. And debts.

Ignore him. At every single step. Get the house valued. Get a solicitor. Call CMS.

Whether she uses the solicitor to make a child arrangement order is a choice. He won't stick to it anyway so I wouldn't bother spending money on getting one within the divorce.

She needs to immediately stop giving a shit what he does and step out now on her own. Make her own demands. He's an arsehole.

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