Page 2 | Test for ASD is 81% accurate

Cuppasoupmonster · 2023-01-06T20:11:01+00:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11606719/Scientists-create-test-autism-detects-disorder-single-strand-HAIR.html Sorry it’s our least beloved newspaper. No agenda in sharing this, just wanted polite discussion. It seems a high level of accuracy - but if 81% of ASD is caused by toxic metals then how come there is a strong hereditary link? 🧐

ILoveeCakes · 06/01/2023 21:38

Namechanger965 · 06/01/2023 21:29

@ILoveeCakes they took initial samples of hair from a 1 month old and found that higher levels of metals at 1 month correlates with ASD diagnosis at age 4. 1 month old babies have not had vaccines yet, the higher levels of metals at that age won’t be linked to vaccines. And it can’t be due to vaccines in the mothers as many women with an autistic child have others without, including identical twins who share the same genes and pre-natal environment.

Its an interesting study, although I wonder whether it would be replicated on a larger scale. I wonder if those diagnosed were ‘low-functioning’, as the cases were picked up and diagnosed by age 4, they’re possibly more severely autistic (non-verbal for example) as many high functioning cases aren’t referred for diagnosis until much later.

Either way it could be useful in early intervention (if replicated), but as the NHS is currently fucked I doubt they’d fund it.

Yes. Information should be used to investigate further. Absolutely it should.

I get frustrated when people seem to jump on things and try to shut them down. Or misdirect genuine questions. eg that article that a poster linked to re metals - I'm sure they did it in good faith - but the article raises more questions than it answers.

Another quote from it:

"Thimerosal is an ethyl mercury compound" ok

"Ethyl mercury is a very different compound that doesn’t appear to be toxic." Doesn't APPEAR to be.......ok.....that's reassuring........you saying we don't know?

"Thimerosal was used as a preservative to prevent bacterial contamination once a vaccine vial was opened. But the point is somewhat moot now as it has not been used in most vaccines, with the exception of the flu vaccine, since 2001."

So it isn't moot as it is in the flu vaccines - which millions take every year. So answer the question - is it toxic and why is it in the flu vaccines? Surely this was investigated before injecting people with it? It surely wasn't put in there for no reason. So just give us the answers..............

Someone decided to write that article in this way - with these hanging questions. Why - when their aim was to reassure people?

Namechanger965 · 07/01/2023 07:39

@ILoveeCakes you could google this and get the answer. I just did. Thimerosal is used in vaccines that come in multi-dose vials, such as the flu, to prevent contamination. It’s not used in vaccines that come in a single dose (such as the nasal spray flu vaccine). You sound like a conspiracy theorist. The reasoning for the thimerosal in the flu vaccine isn’t being hidden.

jamoncrumpets · 07/01/2023 08:55

You're trying to shut down discussion @ILoveeCakes by refusing to listen to anybody who is telling you that vaccines contain safe amounts of metals for perfectly good reasons.

MRex · 07/01/2023 09:00

ILoveeCakes · 06/01/2023 21:19

This is just fluff. It is written to just tell people not to worry - "trust us".
Where does it explain why mercury (mercury! it's f-ing toxic) is in these vaccines in the first place. It doesn't. It just tells us not to worry. I don't want to be told. I want to be informed.

why is it in there at all? This is what I'm asking. No one wants to answer.

Then let's look at this quote - which is probably designed to be reassuring:
"There are good reasons not to want (methyl) mercury in our lakes and rivers, because it is toxic to humans. There is no good reason to be worried about ethyl (mercury) in vaccines. Largely because there isn’t any in most of them."

Ah, don't worry about toxic mercury, it isn't even in most vaccines. But it is in some? Ok - why? I'm just asking why mercury is being injected into people, especially given it is known to be very very toxic.

Why?

I know you don't know, but at least admit that.

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It's just used as a preservative. Why are you pretending that's hidden information, you can literally just Google if you want info?

Hoardasurass · 07/01/2023 11:46

@ILoveeCakes most flu vaccines in the UK come in single dose syringes and as such don't need or have any type of mercury in it.
Most of the antivax material that you will read online is based on US medicines (which have different legal standards than the UK) so don't transfer accurately to what happens here. Its the same as what happens with food standards where certain food colourings and preservatives are legal in the US but not in the UK or chlorinated chickens. You need to check whether the article's you are reading actually deal with UK or US medicines before you take what it says as an accurate and relevant to the medicines you will receive here in the UK

Poinsettia12 · 09/01/2023 12:33

Haven’t read the study but the finding seems to imply that they don’t ‘believe in’ regressive autism. Interested by this since my DC regressed and I am absolutely sure of that (not just mis remembering things etc)

parietal · 09/01/2023 22:58

i've looked into this a bit more. the study is published in a low-rank 'pay-to-publish' journal with minimal peer review, which means it hasn't been properly assessed by other scientists.

I would disregard it entirely.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 09/01/2023 23:15

Here is a good summary of metals etc in vaccines www.docbastard.net/2019/04/vaccine-mythbusting.html?m=1

SueVineer · 09/01/2023 23:30

ILoveeCakes · 06/01/2023 21:19

This is just fluff. It is written to just tell people not to worry - "trust us".
Where does it explain why mercury (mercury! it's f-ing toxic) is in these vaccines in the first place. It doesn't. It just tells us not to worry. I don't want to be told. I want to be informed.

why is it in there at all? This is what I'm asking. No one wants to answer.

Then let's look at this quote - which is probably designed to be reassuring:
"There are good reasons not to want (methyl) mercury in our lakes and rivers, because it is toxic to humans. There is no good reason to be worried about ethyl (mercury) in vaccines. Largely because there isn’t any in most of them."

Ah, don't worry about toxic mercury, it isn't even in most vaccines. But it is in some? Ok - why? I'm just asking why mercury is being injected into people, especially given it is known to be very very toxic.

Why?

I know you don't know, but at least admit that.

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its not toxic as the article says. Also it’s not in the vast majority of vaccines anyway. Its just a daft argument.

SueVineer · 09/01/2023 23:33

ILoveeCakes · 06/01/2023 21:38

Yes. Information should be used to investigate further. Absolutely it should.

I get frustrated when people seem to jump on things and try to shut them down. Or misdirect genuine questions. eg that article that a poster linked to re metals - I'm sure they did it in good faith - but the article raises more questions than it answers.

Another quote from it:

"Thimerosal is an ethyl mercury compound" ok

"Ethyl mercury is a very different compound that doesn’t appear to be toxic." Doesn't APPEAR to be.......ok.....that's reassuring........you saying we don't know?

"Thimerosal was used as a preservative to prevent bacterial contamination once a vaccine vial was opened. But the point is somewhat moot now as it has not been used in most vaccines, with the exception of the flu vaccine, since 2001."

So it isn't moot as it is in the flu vaccines - which millions take every year. So answer the question - is it toxic and why is it in the flu vaccines? Surely this was investigated before injecting people with it? It surely wasn't put in there for no reason. So just give us the answers..............

Someone decided to write that article in this way - with these hanging questions. Why - when their aim was to reassure people?

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The article clearly says ethyl mercury is not toxic and is not in most vaccines. It’s not difficult

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 10/01/2023 04:46

There are loads of resources online that answer your questions. Have a Google.

It's used in vaccines to prevent bacterial growth. The type of mercury is metabolized by the body and doesn't build up like the 'bad type' of mercury. In science everything is evidence based. So scientists don't come out and say 'this has been proven safe' they say 'there is no evidence of harm'. Its not because they are hiding anything its normal scientific language. They can't exactly start injecting people with overdoses of substances to find where the unsafe dosage level sits. The evidence from millions and millions of vaccinations shows that the side effects from mercury in vaccines are at worst a temporary sore / red arm and thats it. Multiple studies have shown no link to autism. Autism rates have not fallen following removal of mercury in childhood vaccines.

xyhere · 10/01/2023 08:05

ILoveeCakes · 06/01/2023 21:02

Autism causing or not, is ingesting metals a good idea?

Why are there metals in vaccines? Why can't there be no metals? No one ever explains any of this stuff - like we don't deserve to know.

There aren't metals in vaccines. There are compounds, which contain metal atoms.

Consider this: iron is a metal, right? Well, add an oxygen atom (ie let it rust), and it becomes iron oxide - which is not a metal.

Similarly, sodium is a highly unstable metal that's combustible on contact with moisture. Sodium chloride - just adding a chlorine atom - is salt, which dissolves safely in water and is fed into the body every day in hospitals all over the world in order to safely cure dehydration (among other things).

There are two important points to remember here:

1 - Compounds containing metal atoms do not behave in remotely the same way as the metals themselves when ingested.

2 - Anything is toxic in high enough doses, even water.

jamoncrumpets · 10/01/2023 08:20

My multivitamins have iron and magnesium, should I be throwing them in the sea?

Ever heard of anaemia, OP?

xyhere · 10/01/2023 08:30

Oh, and regarding the autism claims...compare and contrast this one with the peer-reviewed 2019 study of over two million individuals across five countries which showed that autism is 81% hereditary and very little to do with environmental factors.

Pretty sure I know which paper I'd trust more.