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Are things in the UK really that bad?

392 replies

namechange10022002 · 04/01/2023 15:28

I’ve been living overseas for about seven years and I am lucky to have a very safe, easy, comfortable life here but for various reasons I really want to move back home to England. However I keep hearing about how bad the situation is over there, with the cost of living crisis, housing, energy bills, health service, etc. For example I was watching Triggernometry and the hosts were saying the next few years are going to be extremely difficult for everyone there. I was just wondering, is it really as bad as they say? If you never watched or read the news or looked at social media, would you notice the difference in your quality of life? What is the general feeling on the ground, so to speak?

I guess I just want to know if it would be a mistake to move back there.

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edwinbear · 04/01/2023 16:11

I'm also SE London. No real issues accessing healthcare at all.

DarkKarmaIlama · 04/01/2023 16:11

Yes but we are all thick as fuck so we will no doubt be voting the Tories back in very soon 😄.

ComtesseDeSpair · 04/01/2023 16:16

edwinbear · 04/01/2023 16:11

I'm also SE London. No real issues accessing healthcare at all.

Also SE London, no problems getting a GP appointment and in my neighbourhood I know of three NHS dentists accepting new patients (according to their advertising.) Looks like this is the place to be.

IamSamantha · 04/01/2023 16:16

I don't believe it's worse than most other places at the moment generally but our government is terrible and our media are stirring the storm. The government aren't very good at financial distribution of wealth and the rich are really very very rich. It's been like this for the last ten years and because we can't throw government out of office anymore people can only make a noise.

All are having to cut back to ride the storm. Some simply can't anymore. The majority are financially struggling and the NHS needs many more staff (Brexit and COVID caused problems for migrating workers) BUT. We still get free healthcare if we need it. It's difficult to get an appointment but no we don't have to pay for any of it and difficulty is not the same as impossible. We need more NHS staff, better pay and better community services for care and MH. Taxes for all need increasing but especially those who have money but an increase on those who can afford it would fund all of this.

Energy costs are huge (everywhere) but could be brought down by the UK producing more of our own energy. The large companies are still making billions in profits which should have addressed months ago. Again this is a government issue, gas boilers are still the primary heating source in new builds and for replacements which is complete madness. Housing stock is short, councils have not had the funds to maintain decent housing stocks. House prices are very high. Car costs are also very high but that's the chip/COVID problem. Prices aren't coming down on cars yet a lot of people are driving new cars on PCP plans.

Triple lock pensions remain and pensions for some are so high that the baby boomers are the richest generation receiving completely free NHS treatment and some having to bankroll their kids. For others they can barely feed themselves.

Food costs have increased but we have enjoyed low cost (poor quality) food for a long time. Wages aren't covering all these rises. Government workers have had little to no pay rises for over a decade. Many are on less than minimum wage! Controversial but NHS and teachers have had pay increases, not a lot, but they have had them. We have CEOs of government organisations on 6 figure salaries and annual bonuses of tens of thousands while their staff have their pay frozen. Heads of union parties are the same, huge salaries and bonuses while subs are being increased yearly for low paid workers. Train drivers on thousands more than teachers, nurses, and emergency and safeguarding services who are demanding huge pay increases. The government needs to tax the rich (but won't because it's the rich who vote for Tories and many have huge businesses, investors who are greedy).

5%tax on all companies with profits over 1billion and the UK would be transformed.
It's the governments inability to recirculate funds that's breaking us.

It's not broken. Expectations need to change, a new car, expensive phones and foreign holiday are far from essentials and our houses are cold and dark because we're cutting back on energy. Some very unpopular decisions need to be made by our rubbish government. They won't survive the next election.

edwinbear · 04/01/2023 16:18

@ComtesseDeSpair I guess living 'south of the river' is finally proving to have been a good move!

whirlyhead · 04/01/2023 16:18

I've never voted for the Tories and am not about to start now, but I'm not at all convinced that Labour will do a better job when they get in. I reckon they will be just as rubbish but in a different way.

Things may not be wonderful here, but I don't think they are anywhere in the world. I was talking to a friend in NZ earlier, and nurses and doctors are abandoning ship there due to bad pay (teachers also), and there's a shortage of staff in the hospitality and tourism industry. Though utility prices aren't bad which is something. Food prices are just as bad as here (worse in some cases)

ILoveeCakes · 04/01/2023 16:20

No more than anywhere else. Some people would have a hard life wherever they lived. I'm fine here and would be elsewhere.

Lilibert456 · 04/01/2023 16:22

Why the hell would you want to live in the UK if you don't need to. It is the arsehole of Europe.

latetothefisting · 04/01/2023 16:25

It depends.

Im my very ordinary, public sector worker with generally working/lower middle class friends and family, experience going out and about anywhere over christmas was a huge disconnect between the news and mumsnet which suggests that literally everyone apart from the top 1% can barely afford to eat, compared with the reality of hugely crowded shopping centres, expensive activities like winter wonderland, ice skating, Christmas lights festivals, all sold out, social media feeds of huge piles of presents, people happily shelling out hundreds of quid for glasto/coldplay/Taylor swift tour tickets that all sold out in seconds etc.

OBVIOUSLY there's a huge caveat that you don't see the people who can't afford to go out and about and buy stuff, out and about and buying stuff, plus if you're lucky enough to not need public services very often or happen to live in an area where they are still ok, then you won't be as affected and its only when you actually need an ambulance or operation etc you'll realise how much things have changed.

Most people are worse off than they were a few years ago but there is still a lot of disposable income out there.

LoveAHolidayOrTwo · 04/01/2023 16:26

I am in South East England and all is good here. Lots to do, everything is busy, people out and about enjoying themselves. There are lots of job opportunities and the education system is good.

I travel to many countries each year and go on many tours. Nearly all the tour guides describe similar issues that we have, each one has talked about increase in fuel rises, CoL etc.

IamSamantha · 04/01/2023 16:28

I'd also just like to highlight that I can and have seen GPs on same day when needed for free! I can get antibiotics and meds for the cost of a prescription. My beautiful friend who is having treatment for cancer has been operated on, had treatments and ongoing care free of charge! We can get private medical treatment for the same cost as in other countries. As can any person legally living in the UK.

Many people in the UK have no concept of how the rest of the world has to fund their medical treatment. We are outstandingly fortunate and as such should pay more into our NHS.

SouperNoodle · 04/01/2023 16:29

My DH earns a very good wage and we live in a cheaper area and we're still struggling, I spent 17 hours in A&E the other day and Amazon prime now takes about a week rather than next day delivery.

Stay where you are.

IndigoC · 04/01/2023 16:29

Yes, it’s real. Our income is pretty high, we’ve had to be careful with the heating because it’s insanely expensive. Our local hospital has declared a critical incident and is advising only to attend A&E in life threatening emergencies. I think I have a broken ankle and I’ve chosen to mostly tend to it myself. My food shopping costs 20% more than it did a year ago.

PuttingOnTheKitsch · 04/01/2023 16:30

Baffled by some of the hyperbole on this thread. It all looks the same where I am and I live in a very mixed income area. The shops were no quieter over Christmas.

The issues with the health service have been a long time coming and are multifactorial.

Anyone calling the UK "the arsehole of Europe" is very poorly travelled.

RedRiverShore2 · 04/01/2023 16:32

Amazon prime still comes next day for me, I'm retired and think it's fine. Day to day life is pretty much the same.

catfunk · 04/01/2023 16:34

I think it depends on where you live and your individual circumstances.

DP and I are both average earners with a large mortgage but we haven't had to cut back yet, we may do when we have to remortgage next year.

Shops are busy here, I had NHS surgery very swiftly late last year, people are still going about their lives and my work is busy.

Weather is utter shite though.

maddiemookins16mum · 04/01/2023 16:34

It’s awful. I am 58 years old (lived through the 70s etc, although things never seem as bad when you’re a kid I guess). We treated ourselves on Christmas Day - guess what we did, we had the heating on for 6 hours it was bliss. We’re back to hot water bottles and blankets today.

namechange10022002 · 04/01/2023 16:36

The thing is, I don’t want to be in a situation where I’m sitting in a cold dark house because I can’t afford the bills.

Our combined income would be about £90,000. Surely that would be enough to get through? Then again, even if we were OK, I’m not sure I’d want to live somewhere where so many people around us were struggling.

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RedRiverShore2 · 04/01/2023 16:36

Shops were really busy where I live, all my deliveries have been timely, even the weather is nice today

Howeverdoyouneedme · 04/01/2023 16:39

Honestly, it seems the same for me. I work in education and have a child with SEN; their needs are being met and I’m employed as additional support in a school. People around me seem to be behaving as they ever did. Maybe I’d feel differently if I needed hospital attention.

RedRiverShore2 · 04/01/2023 16:39

I suppose it depends on how much your housing cost is whether £90k is enough, that is probably more relevant than your electric bill

Jonnywishbone · 04/01/2023 16:40

If you are a higher earner there is no point being in the UK. You pay a fortune in tax and the services are all knackered and everyone wants to tax you more. Jesus people 45% tax! No thanks! I'll stick to Dubai pay zero tax and have things that work.

ILoveeCakes · 04/01/2023 16:41

namechange10022002 · 04/01/2023 16:36

The thing is, I don’t want to be in a situation where I’m sitting in a cold dark house because I can’t afford the bills.

Our combined income would be about £90,000. Surely that would be enough to get through? Then again, even if we were OK, I’m not sure I’d want to live somewhere where so many people around us were struggling.

Yes, UK is so dire that people on £90k can't afford to heat their house. They're sitting in the dark eating cold beans out of a tin.

Oh, Mumsnet.................!

lieselotte · 04/01/2023 16:41

OP there was a near identical thread to this before Christmas.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4697166-are-things-in-the-uk-as-bad-as-it-sounds-in-the-news

BeatriceBatchelor · 04/01/2023 16:42

If you never watched or read the news or looked at social media, would you notice the difference in your quality of life?

No. Everyone I know is carrying on as normal, generally content with life.

I'm not a smug git but MN loves to ramp up the doom and gloom.

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