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To wonder what people did before antidepressants?

146 replies

dottypotter · 02/01/2023 21:33

Don't know how long anti depressants have been around for depression and anxiety etc, but what happened before they were invented does anyone wonder?
Did people go mad?
Put up with it, but never get better.
Did their depression etc just go away. Intrigued.

OP posts:
CuteBear · 02/01/2023 23:31

Hawkins001 · 02/01/2023 21:38

Could it be debated that Without social media ect and more underlying factors that we have today maybe the conditions were not as prevalent ?

I had severe depression, anxiety and PTSD as a teen because of something horrific that happened to me. Many women and girls will have, sadly, gone through what I endured. Nothing to do with social media and the media.

People would’ve become addicts, self-harm, or commit suicide without medication and therapy.

FlorenceAndTheVendingMachine · 02/01/2023 23:32

Treatment response to SSRI's is only 40-60% with a 45% relapse rate.

Onnabugeisha · 02/01/2023 23:34

I remember reading an article about a study of 17 million Americans and the long term outlook of those with depression was no different between the groups who took medication and those who didn't.

Well depression can be mild to severe, and episodic or chronic. So it’s quite possible those on medication simply had the more severe/chronic types of depression.

Piggleton · 02/01/2023 23:35

Probably fucking killed themselves! As the first reply said “what’s your point?”

Pondering….yeah ok then 🙄 Whoever in your life is suffering, I feel for them!

aliasname · 02/01/2023 23:38

I think back when religion was a much bigger factor in people's lives, (church on sundays was pretty much mandatory at times) having faith gave some people a source of support. Not always beneficial, and it would depend on the type of church, but for some it could be a crutch to lean on. I imagine that for some people it would be fulfilling.

For others of course, it could make things worse - and then, as others have said the outcome might be death or an institution where they existed.

thepatronsaintofbubblewrap · 02/01/2023 23:40

Anti depressants don't work with everyone (they don't for me).
You need to work out if you are using SSRIs, whether the person's issue is lack of serotonin or can be cured with more serotonin.
it's why people's mental state can get worse during the kicking in period because it's messing around with the 'feel good hormone' which is serotonin.
I've heard some people's depression or mental state is caused by 'reactive depression' o the other
which is lack of of serotonin.
GPs in theory should make investigations which is the problem.
I've heard it's a reasonably high percentage of people that SSRIs don't work for sadly.
I think alot of people would have committed suicide or put in an asylum long ago.

thepatronsaintofbubblewrap · 02/01/2023 23:41

I was told by someone who had a mum with depression growing up, that people 'just took to their beds'

Onnabugeisha · 02/01/2023 23:43

thepatronsaintofbubblewrap · 02/01/2023 23:41

I was told by someone who had a mum with depression growing up, that people 'just took to their beds'

The rich ones did or went to the countryside, or to the seaside or to sunnier climes (ie Italy) to “restore their nerves”.

justasking111 · 02/01/2023 23:48

In those days you were supported by family and friends being local. I think that helped. You were born, married and died in the same community.

PlinkPlonkFizz · 02/01/2023 23:51

They were reported to have "taken to the bed" or "suffering with their nerves" by neighbours.
Or they smoked, drank, were very odd in their behaviour or self-medicated in some other way.

Onnabugeisha · 02/01/2023 23:51

justasking111 · 02/01/2023 23:48

In those days you were supported by family and friends being local. I think that helped. You were born, married and died in the same community.

Or denounced as a witch…

FlorenceAndTheVendingMachine · 02/01/2023 23:55

Onnabugeisha · 02/01/2023 23:34

I remember reading an article about a study of 17 million Americans and the long term outlook of those with depression was no different between the groups who took medication and those who didn't.

Well depression can be mild to severe, and episodic or chronic. So it’s quite possible those on medication simply had the more severe/chronic types of depression.

Yeah, that's possible too. I do think though that there is sometimes also an unrealistic expectation in modern society for a tablet to fix everything, as opposed to making life changes instead.

No doubt, in some cases the medication can be that stepping stone a person needs, or may assist in treating a chemical imbalance in the brain etc, but I think that many people are unhappy for understandable reasons too.

Like, if you're an overweight youth full of self loathing then the biggest struggle will still be months of discipline in eating and/or exercise. Meds can help with your mindset but the hard work still needs to be done.

I tried several antidepressants and also CBT after being diagnosed with major depressive disorder at 16yo. It didn't really work for me and I mostly sorted it myself through vigorous exercise (powerlifting etc) and by changing my bad habits to get enough sleep and trying not to focus on negative things.

My approach wasn't a magic bullet but it got me into a better place where I could start chipping away at life, even if everything seemed much harder to me than to many of my friends. When I got to the stage where I had a job I liked with reasonable pay and found a partner I felt like I was mostly back on track even if I have a slightly cynical outlook at times. But the main thing I think was getting used to the idea that life can be shit sometimes and working up from there.

thepatronsaintofbubblewrap · 02/01/2023 23:56

A good indicator of how people reacted to their depressive states is to watch 'who do you think you are' by Ruby Wax. Her relatives were frequently confined to the asylum.

thesnow · 02/01/2023 23:56

Died. Or been fucking miserable. Then died.

FlorenceAndTheVendingMachine · 02/01/2023 23:58

Onnabugeisha · 02/01/2023 23:51

Or denounced as a witch…

If we're talking that long ago then depression would probs be the last of my worries! A bad wisdom tooth could be the end of you back then!

Plus you'd be lucky to live till 40.

Canuckduck · 02/01/2023 23:58

My late grandmother had lifelong periods of depression. She took to her bed, tried to kill herself several times and was regularly hospitalized for rest. She also received electric shock therapy. My grandfather worked and did all the housekeeping and cooking.

thepatronsaintofbubblewrap · 02/01/2023 23:58

In some parts of the world, people are still shunned from society or chained to the ground routinely

Onnabugeisha · 03/01/2023 00:09

FlorenceAndTheVendingMachine · 02/01/2023 23:55

Yeah, that's possible too. I do think though that there is sometimes also an unrealistic expectation in modern society for a tablet to fix everything, as opposed to making life changes instead.

No doubt, in some cases the medication can be that stepping stone a person needs, or may assist in treating a chemical imbalance in the brain etc, but I think that many people are unhappy for understandable reasons too.

Like, if you're an overweight youth full of self loathing then the biggest struggle will still be months of discipline in eating and/or exercise. Meds can help with your mindset but the hard work still needs to be done.

I tried several antidepressants and also CBT after being diagnosed with major depressive disorder at 16yo. It didn't really work for me and I mostly sorted it myself through vigorous exercise (powerlifting etc) and by changing my bad habits to get enough sleep and trying not to focus on negative things.

My approach wasn't a magic bullet but it got me into a better place where I could start chipping away at life, even if everything seemed much harder to me than to many of my friends. When I got to the stage where I had a job I liked with reasonable pay and found a partner I felt like I was mostly back on track even if I have a slightly cynical outlook at times. But the main thing I think was getting used to the idea that life can be shit sometimes and working up from there.

These all play a part and I agree with you that tablets are not a magic pill or a one size fits all treatment. It’s the same for exercise and sleep too. Exercise generates your own feel good medication of endorphins- so endorphins obviously worked better for you than say Prozac or whatever SSRI you were given.

But the main thing I think was getting used to the idea that life can be shit sometimes and working up from there.

For me it was overcoming a shit start to life and then suffering life changing injuries that took away my entire built from nothing life in seconds. (Also took away my physical ability to exercise and gave me chronic pain so sleep is always a struggle) I’d always known life can be shit, but I’d wrongly thought I’d put that behind me and had done well for myself. Having it all snatched away with no hope of getting it back put me into a deep depression with hallucinations and imaginary beings. I was diagnosed with MDD with psychotic features aka Psychotic Depression (among other things like PTSD) Medication and therapy saved my life. I still take medications and honestly, it helps me hold on to my marbles and accept I’m living a different life.

My approach wasn't a magic bullet but it got me into a better place where I could start chipping away at life, even if everything seemed much harder to me than to many of my friends

This is so true, the chipping away. It is hard work to dig out of depression and progress is not linear. I would often be two steps forward and then slide one step back. I don’t think I will ever not be working to keep treading water. So, giving you a high five for having pulled yourself out of it too.

Firstworldprobs · 03/01/2023 00:14

dottypotter · 02/01/2023 21:33

Don't know how long anti depressants have been around for depression and anxiety etc, but what happened before they were invented does anyone wonder?
Did people go mad?
Put up with it, but never get better.
Did their depression etc just go away. Intrigued.

They self medicated with alcohol / legal and illegal drugs. They suffered in silence. They were recluses. They died by suicide.

Onnabugeisha · 03/01/2023 00:14

FlorenceAndTheVendingMachine · 02/01/2023 23:58

If we're talking that long ago then depression would probs be the last of my worries! A bad wisdom tooth could be the end of you back then!

Plus you'd be lucky to live till 40.

Yeah, I am a bit fuzzy on what was meant by ‘modern life’…

Although living to 40 wasn’t that rare. The average life expectancy figures are skewed due to the incredibly high infant mortality rates, when in truth if you survived childhood, your life expectancy was actually late 60s/early 70s in the 18th century.

It wasn’t uncommon for nonaristocratic women to birth babies and only half of them survive to adulthood. I could not imagine the agony of losing so many children as babies, toddlers, older children as a mother. That reality and grief must have caused tons of depression back then.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 03/01/2023 00:37

How far back do you want to go OP?

Before the advent of SSRI's Benzodiazepines were commonplace, Valium, aka 'Mother's little helper', was often prescribed to 'hysterical' women seen as unable to cope with everyday life. Thorazine, aka the 'chemical cosh' has been around since the 1950's, although that is not typically prescribed as an anti-depressant, rather it's an anti-psychotic that is first prescribed to many people during a hospital stay and treatment continued after release. It's known as Chlorpromazine in the UK, it's still used, and it's utterly hellish to taper off so many people get parked on it for decades regardless of the consequences.

Prior to that, if you could actually afford to pay for respite as a voluntary patient in an asylum, typical treatments were much the same as they are today, so fresh air, exercise, nutrition, stimulation through recreational activities and so on, after the advent of psychoanalysis talking therapies became a normal part of treatment. If you were unfortunate enough to be sent to an asylum involuntarily, but you had a family who could pay for your treatment, you might be subjected to all sorts of bizarre nonsense including stuffing you in a 'bed' sized cage to restrict your movement for hours on end, being hung by your ankles, plunged into freezing cold water, every other type of outdated and discredited 'therapy' you care to name, and you'd be subject to the whims of the governor and staff who, dependant upon your demeanour or personality, may decide to act with sympathy towards you or may not. Declaring your treatment over and discharging you would usually have been entirely at the discretion of the governor, and there are umpteen documented cases of governor/inmate disputes that played out over decades. Challenging your own treatment was difficult but not impossible if you had the means, and there are instances of court hearings taking place where inmates successfully advocated for their own sanity and fitness for discharge. There are also cases of women challenging their institutionalisation where the plaintiff is quite clearly perfectly well and sane, but because she had been a recalcitrant wife in one respect or another, she'd been thrown into an asylum due to doctors working in cahoots with the husband for no other reason than the husband wishing to be freed of his legal obligations with regard to his wife.

If you were an unpaid inmate, you'd likely just be dumped into a communal gallery and left to get on with it, i.e. 'bedlam', and be entirely at the mercy of charity.

Practices like ECT are still used because they are often effective as a 'last resort' treatment for patients with certain eating disorders, and some patients with profound depressions that are drug-resistant. I know of a few people who swear by it as the only thing that actually works for them even though it's being used less and less and it's usually viewed as barbaric and outdated to the layman. I also know of at least one case of it being responsible for serious brain injury, so it isn't entirely without risk either.

Prior to the advent of the NHS there was no real 'care in the community' equivalent, so mental illness was dependent on charity in much the same way physical ill health was. Many parishes did operate benevolent funds, churches and charities sometimes operated homes and hostels for the sick and infirm, but those were understandably spotty and never really adequate for demand.

FlorenceAndTheVendingMachine · 03/01/2023 04:54

Onnabugeisha · 03/01/2023 00:09

These all play a part and I agree with you that tablets are not a magic pill or a one size fits all treatment. It’s the same for exercise and sleep too. Exercise generates your own feel good medication of endorphins- so endorphins obviously worked better for you than say Prozac or whatever SSRI you were given.

But the main thing I think was getting used to the idea that life can be shit sometimes and working up from there.

For me it was overcoming a shit start to life and then suffering life changing injuries that took away my entire built from nothing life in seconds. (Also took away my physical ability to exercise and gave me chronic pain so sleep is always a struggle) I’d always known life can be shit, but I’d wrongly thought I’d put that behind me and had done well for myself. Having it all snatched away with no hope of getting it back put me into a deep depression with hallucinations and imaginary beings. I was diagnosed with MDD with psychotic features aka Psychotic Depression (among other things like PTSD) Medication and therapy saved my life. I still take medications and honestly, it helps me hold on to my marbles and accept I’m living a different life.

My approach wasn't a magic bullet but it got me into a better place where I could start chipping away at life, even if everything seemed much harder to me than to many of my friends

This is so true, the chipping away. It is hard work to dig out of depression and progress is not linear. I would often be two steps forward and then slide one step back. I don’t think I will ever not be working to keep treading water. So, giving you a high five for having pulled yourself out of it too.

Thanks. You definitely sound like a fighter. It's so easy when suffering from mental issues to take the physical side for granted, even when logically we know we shouldn't.

GingerScallop · 03/01/2023 05:05

CuteBear · 02/01/2023 23:31

I had severe depression, anxiety and PTSD as a teen because of something horrific that happened to me. Many women and girls will have, sadly, gone through what I endured. Nothing to do with social media and the media.

People would’ve become addicts, self-harm, or commit suicide without medication and therapy.

This.

OP There are still many many countries where people hardly have access to anti-depressants and no access to counselling (my country is one such). Yes some commit suicide others become drunkards but the rates if those are not automatically higher than in countries like us or UK where antidepressants and therapies are more readily available. Some cope muddling through on their own. Others cope with community support whether relatives, friends, cultural ostriching or church. Obviously depression and mental health are a broad spectrum and range from mild to severe so solutions that work differ n r dependent on context. That is why there is the paradox of happiness or contentedness. Some people that are very very happy and contented with little to no depression/anxiety etc are people who have gone through the most horrific experiences. Others have severe anxiety and depression despite having the most perfect lives imaginable. Chemical (im)balances also play a part of course

WeeWillyWinkie9 · 03/01/2023 05:25

LivingOnAPrayerYes · 02/01/2023 21:48

Just talking about a great aunt over Christmas who would go for electric shock 'therapy' for her depression. (40 to 50ish years ago)

They still use this.

WeeWillyWinkie9 · 03/01/2023 05:26

It is a shame that we don't do away with them given they do nothing. Waste of time and money.

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