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AIBU To Think Joey Maynard (Of Chalet School Fame) Was Insufferable

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TheShellBeach · 28/12/2022 17:11

.............with her eleven children, infuriating husband and bizarre tendency to move house (and country) to live next door to the school her sister inexplicably started when Joey was a child.

She also managed to write (at least) two books a year, have a series of multiple pregnancies and poke her nose into the Chalet School's business on a daily basis.

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TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 16:06

Elle54321 · 30/12/2022 14:00

This thread got me thinking about what happened to EBD's missing Chalet School manuscript 'Two Chalet Girls in India', written in 1939 between New Chalet School and Exile and a quick google found this,

"The Indian story's non-appearance may have been due to Brent-Dyer's insistence that her heroine should grow up and yet still remain a central character. It says much for her seriousness as a writer that she should have wished to tackle the subject of conversion in a children's book — and little for her Presbyterian publishers that they should have rejected it. (Amazingly, however, they sanctioned Brent-Dyer's brave war-time pacifism — the Chalet School had an active Peace League — just as Latimer House later left her references to the atom bomb as legalised "mass-murder" in her 1950 story, Fardingales .) But perhaps it simply comes down to Chambers' reluctance to publish any 'Chalet School' book which was not specifically a 'school story', an unwillingness which was to continue across the years." (Book & Magazine collector).

I don't think that article is very well informed. EBD wasn't a pacifist as far as I'm aware, she just believed that ordinary Germans should be distinguished from Nazis.

Were Chambers reluctant to publish non school based titles? What about Jo Returns and all the other holiday books? It took a long time for Armada to publish them but they were published in hard back, were Armada part of Chambers, I can't remember.

I don't think we know for sure that Joey's conversion happened in India, it's just guesswork because we don't see it elsewhere.

TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 16:08

I also remember when the split took place between FOCS and the New Chalet Club #scenes

Elle54321 · 30/12/2022 16:23

The first holiday book wasn't published until 1945, twenty years after school was published. The conversion had happened by (or during and not mentioned) in Exile but the article I was reading that mentioned it was in India hinted that it was mentioned in one of the early newsletters (number 9) published by EBD, I don't have a copy so can't verify.

Elle54321 · 30/12/2022 16:24

Meaning Jo to the rescue as the first holiday book not Jo returns.

TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 16:26

Sorry yes I meant Jo to The Rescue. I'd forgotten some were published out of order.

TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 16:35

I’ve found it.

AIBU To Think Joey Maynard (Of Chalet School Fame) Was Insufferable
AIBU To Think Joey Maynard (Of Chalet School Fame) Was Insufferable
TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 16:36

Sorry I don't know why the picture posted twice.

JoanOgden · 30/12/2022 16:44

TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 16:08

I also remember when the split took place between FOCS and the New Chalet Club #scenes

Oh gosh yes! Someone who was close to it explained the whole thing to me... IIRC it was all a bit mad and I came to the view that there was some lesbophobia involved.

JoanOgden · 30/12/2022 16:44

TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 16:08

I also remember when the split took place between FOCS and the New Chalet Club #scenes

Oh gosh yes! Someone who was close to it explained the whole thing to me... IIRC it was all a bit mad and I came to the view that there was some lesbophobia involved.

Elle54321 · 30/12/2022 16:50

TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 16:35

I’ve found it.

Thanks - so it was in India, the book that never saw the light of day. Such a shame, did the publishers just hang onto it then? I assume if it was with her own papers / book collection GGB would have the publishing rights.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 30/12/2022 16:56

There's a fascinating book about life in girls' boarding schools in the 40s, 50s & 60s. I loved the fact that the author is called Ysenda as that is an EBD worthy name.

Yes! I read that ('Terms and Conditions') following a recommendation on here, and as someone who attended a state comprehensive I found it fascinating (and it made me feel a bit better about how crap comprehensive schools were in the 80s). I highly recommend it.

TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 16:57

Oh gosh yes! Someone who was close to it explained the whole thing to me... IIRC it was all a bit mad and I came to the view that there was some lesbophobia involved.
Really?! I didn't know that! On the surface it was just about whether the group was democratically run or not!

TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 16:59

Thanks - so it was in India, the book that never saw the light of day. Such a shame, did the publishers just hang onto it then? I assume if it was with her own papers / book collection GGB would have the publishing rights.
I recall there's been in depth articles written about it. I'll see if it was in one of the fill ins.

sueelleker · 30/12/2022 17:26

MissyB1 · 30/12/2022 14:35

I read the India fill in on kindle, pretty sure it’s still available.

It's available on Kindle and in paperback from Amazon. Very good book.www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi9pO_b7aH8AhUxTEEAHaXyBXwQFnoECCMQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Fen%2Fbook%2Fshow%2F11817317&usg=AOvVaw09U5t1yyPkIHSwImQYdbrm

TrashyPanda · 30/12/2022 17:26

TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 11:13

The family had lived in Russia hadn't they? (While Ted Humphries was spying presumably).

I think he was going to Russia, not that he had been there.

poland and Russia were at war from 1918 to 1921.

and there was a centuries old enmity between the countries.

no way would a Pole in the 1920s have had her child singing a Russian song.

Elle54321 · 30/12/2022 17:41

@TinselAngel I haven't read it myself as I don't think its easy to find a copy but it might be mentioned in Helen McClelland's 'Joey & Patricia' a reunion in Guernsey?

EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 30/12/2022 17:54

When Robin becomes a prefect at the Annexe, I wonder if that’s the point when they decide she’s capable of dressing, undressing and bathing herself?

TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 17:55

I've found it in the foreword to the Two Chalet Girls in India fill in by Priyadarshini Narendra, by Helen McClelland

RobinHumphries · 30/12/2022 18:28

Elle54321 · 30/12/2022 16:23

The first holiday book wasn't published until 1945, twenty years after school was published. The conversion had happened by (or during and not mentioned) in Exile but the article I was reading that mentioned it was in India hinted that it was mentioned in one of the early newsletters (number 9) published by EBD, I don't have a copy so can't verify.

It happened during or after exile so not during 2 chalet girls in India which would have been an earlier book. Jack states that they have to get married in England as it will be easier as they are of different religions.

AIBU To Think Joey Maynard (Of Chalet School Fame) Was Insufferable
CorporateBull · 30/12/2022 18:43

The FB group does allow mention of CGGU from what I can tell. There’s just an agreement that members agree to disagree on its merits!

Can I recommend this excellent YouTube video? It’s a film of a group of fab club members making a trip to Pertisau a good few years ago. Some of them are no longer with us. But very interesting for all sorts of reasons. m.youtube.com/watch?v=ogGemZIiwPA

CorporateBull · 30/12/2022 18:44

Fan club that should say.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 30/12/2022 18:51

RobinHumphries · 30/12/2022 18:28

It happened during or after exile so not during 2 chalet girls in India which would have been an earlier book. Jack states that they have to get married in England as it will be easier as they are of different religions.

Slightly beside the point, but 'my child' is very over-used as an endearment by EBD!

Elle54321 · 30/12/2022 19:02

Oh of course - Jack did mention the difference of religion in Exile, odd that EBD mentioned it in the newsletter as being in the other book. I've just read that foreword in the free sample you can get on Amazon @TinselAngel thanks for finding it, it does shed a little light where Helen McC suggests that India was likely written prior to Exile and went missing in a printers office in Cambridge.

TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 19:06

I suppose there could be another book that didn't see the light of day.

Elle54321 · 30/12/2022 19:24

TinselAngel · 30/12/2022 19:06

I suppose there could be another book that didn't see the light of day.

What???? no more missing CS books😂

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