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AIBU To Think Joey Maynard (Of Chalet School Fame) Was Insufferable

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TheShellBeach · 28/12/2022 17:11

.............with her eleven children, infuriating husband and bizarre tendency to move house (and country) to live next door to the school her sister inexplicably started when Joey was a child.

She also managed to write (at least) two books a year, have a series of multiple pregnancies and poke her nose into the Chalet School's business on a daily basis.

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EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 02/01/2023 07:33

TheShellBeach · 01/01/2023 22:37

I've been amazed by seeing the word "pussystruck" in several CS books.
I think EBD just meant "surprised".

I’ve got to look out for that!

marcopront · 02/01/2023 09:51

Reading Jo Returns and I see Miss Stewart's brother is a doctor? Who does he marry?

GladiatorSandals · 02/01/2023 10:22

EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 02/01/2023 07:32

no character EBD considered interesting was ever a robust, bouncing healthy type

Well, there’s Tom. And also Cornelia - EBD was very clear that neither of them was ‘pretty’ or ‘delicate’ but they’re two of my favourite characters. Although there’s a confusing bit somewhere after Mlle Lepattre’s death where it mentions that Corney was to have ‘such mothering’ as she’d never had before, & then that seems to get dropped. All I could think of was that either EBD forgot about it or it was a religious reference.

Tom is a second-string character after ‘Tom Tackles’, though (and EBD clearly thinks it would be inappropriate for a gruff, tomboyish character to be ‘delicate’), and I would include Cornelia in the list of characters made ‘interesting’ by an accident — when her eyes are damaged when the burning fighter pilot crashes (in Exile?)

Gremlinsateit · 02/01/2023 10:44

TheShellBeach · 01/01/2023 22:37

I've been amazed by seeing the word "pussystruck" in several CS books.
I think EBD just meant "surprised".

Me too! I can understand that someone like EBD might think that, but did no editor ever tell her?

On “sisters by marriage” - I was just leafing through Island, to remind myself what Phil Craven did wrong, after reading that brilliant fanfic that someone linked in the other thread - and an adult is struggling and saying it’s very complicated to describe the relationship between Dickie and her younger stepsister. So, it’s not just a Mary-Lou thing. Weird.

crumpet · 02/01/2023 10:48

Backing up a bit to Grizel and her music, I think that it was her stepmother who forced her into all the lessons.

I’d be a bit pissed off too if the only career choice open to me was to do something I hadn’t much enjoyed in the first place and which I’d been made to do by a stepmother who didn’t much like me anyway.

GladiatorSandals · 02/01/2023 11:48

Gremlinsateit · 02/01/2023 10:44

Me too! I can understand that someone like EBD might think that, but did no editor ever tell her?

On “sisters by marriage” - I was just leafing through Island, to remind myself what Phil Craven did wrong, after reading that brilliant fanfic that someone linked in the other thread - and an adult is struggling and saying it’s very complicated to describe the relationship between Dickie and her younger stepsister. So, it’s not just a Mary-Lou thing. Weird.

My sense (based on EBD’s weirdness about it) is that she was squeamish about stepsiblings because that might imply divorce rather than death having ended the previous marriages.

TinselAngel · 02/01/2023 12:39

It makes no sense at all given she wrote "Step Sisters for Lorna".

EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 02/01/2023 14:34

And Grizel’s stepmother is referred to as a stepmother, not a ‘mother by marriage’ isn’t she? Doesn’t Grizel even refer to her as Steppy at some point? I wonder if step- implied something negative.

EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 02/01/2023 14:35

GladiatorSandals · 02/01/2023 10:22

Tom is a second-string character after ‘Tom Tackles’, though (and EBD clearly thinks it would be inappropriate for a gruff, tomboyish character to be ‘delicate’), and I would include Cornelia in the list of characters made ‘interesting’ by an accident — when her eyes are damaged when the burning fighter pilot crashes (in Exile?)

True, I hadn’t thought of that.

TinselAngel · 02/01/2023 14:36

EBD does seem to imply that Step relations are ones you don't want, and "sisters by marriage" is more positive

TheShellBeach · 02/01/2023 15:35

TinselAngel · 02/01/2023 14:36

EBD does seem to imply that Step relations are ones you don't want, and "sisters by marriage" is more positive

Although in that FanFic where Mary Lou marries Giles, none of them can figure out why ML calls Verity her "sister-by-marriage".
They just all seem puzzled and one of them says "sisters-in-law, then?"

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TheShellBeach · 02/01/2023 15:36

TheShellBeach · 02/01/2023 15:35

Although in that FanFic where Mary Lou marries Giles, none of them can figure out why ML calls Verity her "sister-by-marriage".
They just all seem puzzled and one of them says "sisters-in-law, then?"

ARRGGHGHH No Edit button!

I mean that someone says "step-sisters, then?"

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FelicityBeedle · 02/01/2023 18:10

My favourite inconsistency (or perhaps change of opinion ) is EbD’s opinions on female doctors. Eustacia’s mum is a ‘doctoress’ oh horror of horrors, but a decade later daisy is encouraged to be a doctor (if only for a year before marrying)

PuttingDownRoots · 02/01/2023 18:14

I thought Eustacias mother was an academic doctor rather than medical?

EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 02/01/2023 18:32

There’s a bit at the start of Eustacia about how ‘Mrs Benson’ died because she had a cold which she ‘insisted on treating herself’ but then references to her being a ‘lady doctor’ although I’m not sure that book gets any more specific. I think one of the later ones mentions her being a brilliant doctor, though I can’t remember if that one goes into any more detail.

FelicityBeedle · 02/01/2023 18:38

@PuttingDownRoots
As far as I can recall her father was the academic and she was definitely a medical doctor, Madge said she treated herself and that’s why she died.

EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 02/01/2023 18:56

FelicityBeedle · 02/01/2023 18:38

@PuttingDownRoots
As far as I can recall her father was the academic and she was definitely a medical doctor, Madge said she treated herself and that’s why she died.

She clearly wasn’t raised to instant obedience, or she’d have consulted another doctor.

I’m onto Shocks, and the bit where Hilda Annersley, an experienced and highly capable headmistress, is begging Jack Maynard, who admittedly has kids but has no teaching experience, to advise her on what to do about Emerence. Hmm

GladiatorSandals · 02/01/2023 19:11

FelicityBeedle · 02/01/2023 18:10

My favourite inconsistency (or perhaps change of opinion ) is EbD’s opinions on female doctors. Eustacia’s mum is a ‘doctoress’ oh horror of horrors, but a decade later daisy is encouraged to be a doctor (if only for a year before marrying)

After which both Daisy and her creator seem to get amnesia about her having been an award-winning paediatric specialist, and start deferring meekly to her husband on some childhood ailment of their child. Grr.

Mind you, EBD appears to put Jack and Jem only slightly below God in the omnipotence line — so many instances of a CS character declaring someone will get well because Jem or Jack said so ‘And he really knows!’ (regardless of whether the unwell person has anything remotely TB-related…)

MargaretThursday · 02/01/2023 19:21

FelicityBeedle · 02/01/2023 18:38

@PuttingDownRoots
As far as I can recall her father was the academic and she was definitely a medical doctor, Madge said she treated herself and that’s why she died.

I read the "treated herself" as using some dodgy type of alternative medicine rather than the traditional. However I don't think it explicitly said that.

TheShellBeach · 02/01/2023 19:27

FelicityBeedle · 02/01/2023 18:38

@PuttingDownRoots
As far as I can recall her father was the academic and she was definitely a medical doctor, Madge said she treated herself and that’s why she died.

.................just proving that women who were doctors were nowhere near as competent as men who were doctors......................

LOLOL

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TheShellBeach · 02/01/2023 19:39

GladiatorSandals · 02/01/2023 19:11

After which both Daisy and her creator seem to get amnesia about her having been an award-winning paediatric specialist, and start deferring meekly to her husband on some childhood ailment of their child. Grr.

Mind you, EBD appears to put Jack and Jem only slightly below God in the omnipotence line — so many instances of a CS character declaring someone will get well because Jem or Jack said so ‘And he really knows!’ (regardless of whether the unwell person has anything remotely TB-related…)

On the same lines, Sir James Talbot, who was supposed to be a TB specialist (he treated Mrs. Linton) is the doctor Joey goes to consult when she has a "displaced organ".
You'd think that Jack would have made an appropriate referral for his wife and not sent a woman with a gynaecological condition to a TB specialist.

I can't remember which book that was in but the triplets were teenagers.

Mind you, I'm not surprised Joey has a displaced organ after all the pregnancies she had.

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EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 02/01/2023 21:02

‘It isn’t cheek, it’s just Mary-Lou’ could be a drinking game in itself.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 02/01/2023 21:07

Mary-Lousplaining would drive anyone to drink.

keepaweatheredeye · 02/01/2023 21:15

I'd forgotten about Joeys displaced organ! Must have been a prolapse, right??!

StitchesInTime · 02/01/2023 21:37

keepaweatheredeye · 02/01/2023 21:15

I'd forgotten about Joeys displaced organ! Must have been a prolapse, right??!

I can’t imagine how else an organ could be displaced.

Not without some sort of hideous accident, anyway.