AIBU to think that when people complain about something or someone being Woke or too PC......

[IroningQueen]

It's because they want to make offensive comments?

What's the problem with wanting to spare people's feelings?

You couldn't make it up could you? The irony is breathtaking with these people, and they just don't seem to see it. They have already started on this thread. So predictable. Same comments, same shit, different day, and it's usually the same posters, every time, with EXACTLY the same vitriolic and demeaning put downs. Getting angrier and angrier with each passing post. I can HEAR the steam shooting from their ears from here. 😂

I just laugh at them, because they're just pure entertainment now, and their vicious comments are white noise. NOBODY takes the comments and insults seriously. NOBODY. They're being laughed at by a lot of people now.

Anyway, sadly I have to go out for the day now Christmas shopping. So will miss all the laughter and frivolity on here.

Have fun.

Ah okay.

Yes snowflake too.

Women use 'woke' as an insult on mumsnet all the time but it seems the use of the word has gone down a bit or I've just not seen it much recently.

I think I'm pretty woke on things like race, culture, class, sexuality- but I know that women don't have penises and men don't belong in women's spaces.

I really hate being lumped in with TRAs who verbally and physically attack Gender Critical women because I try to understand unconscious bias in the sphere of race, for example.

I think we have lost the capability of nuanced and intelligent debate. We now seem to 'take sides' where any derogation from the accepted norm on on side of the argument is shouted down with ad hominems or name calling

There is never one side of a story or position that is correct. There is always an acceptable and reasonable middle ground that needs intelligent and critical thought. That skill seems to have gone in the past few years. I've changed my mind several times through reading or discussing alternative views.

Instead there's just shouts of RACIST BOOMER KAREN!
On the other side WOKE LEFTY LIBERAL!

Social media did that. Back in the 90's we smashed this out over several drinks in the pub!

@GinmakerSocial media did that. Back in the 90's we smashed this out over several drinks in the pub

I couldn’t agree more with this. I’ve noticed that the younger generation react so aggressively when they hear view they dislike. It’s absolutely outrageous to them.
I think the joke is vile. As a black woman, I obviously find Jim Davidson vile. But do I want him banned? No. What id like is for peoples attitudes to change so they no longer find people like him funny or that meme amusing. I feel it’s counter productive to just stop people making these jokes in the first place, hoping that it prevents those views existing. In my mind, that’s completely the wrong way round.

My hero is Daryl Davis. He has managed to take a number of KKK members away from the hate group by simple, open communication. He understood that screaming, name calling, aggression and banning makes zero difference to outcome.

On the couple of occasions I’ve had racist comments at work I’ve always replied, “you can say what you want to me, but be prepared that I am able to say whatever I feel right back” and I challenge what’s been said.

I know nobody owes anyone an education or explanation. Nobody is obliged to ‘do the work’ for anyone. But banning, silencing, abuse and shutting down is never ever going to change a thing in my view (although I must confess I have been guilty of it myself at times)

For me at least, the people I know who are most ''woke' are also horrendously patronising to everyone else. That's my personal experience and the association I make when people talk about 'wokeness' - of someone 10-20 years younger than me lecturing me on LGBTQ+ while insisting you should never make assumptions about someone's sexuality/gender identity - and making massive assumptions about mine. I understand the actual meaning behind the term, but I am talking about my day to day experience of it.

I also always find it odd how the requirement to 'be kind' to everyone doesn't extend to women.

Totally agree.

A family member deleted me on FB because I'm "too politically correct".

The definition of "politically correct" is:

"carefully avoiding forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against".

Would the family member prefer me to be rude and insulting to everyone?

@OlympicProcrastinator totally agree. I happen to see a very right wing man on my dog walks every morning. We couldn't be further apart in our views but we walk together and chat almost daily.
In reality he's a lovely caring man who I can see is desperate for personal human contact.
Instead he sometimes spouts some objectionable racist and misogynist views. A cry for attention? Who knows but I listen and he listens and we discuss. I tell him when he's being being really unreasonable quite forthrightly and he appreciates it. I also try to understand why he might say things or feel the way he does. Sometimes we agree! He almost seems taken aback when I do! Equally he's changed his position on lots of things.

No one changes their mind based on ad hominem accusations and shutting down debate "because feelings"
Minds can be changed by nuanced debate.

Sparing feelings is fine.

Being silenced is not.

I've noticed a lot of people say "anti woke gang" or "too woke" to silence the alternative voice.

I believe in everyone living their own life - but not at the expense of others freedoms and peaceful existence.

Equally he's changed his position on lots of things

And there we are. Isn’t it wonderful what human connection can achieve?

Agree with @PurpleButterflyWings .
I'm so sick of it all. This country is becoming a laughing stock.

Can you not see that the key words here are 'perception' and 'insult'?

That's the core of this.

Sometimes it will be because people are just being offensive. Other times it will be because people are genuinely being over sensitive, precious and in need of getting over themselves.

"Woke" is just 2022's PC gawn mad.

Usually used by people who are annoyed that their outdated bigotry is no longer acceptable.