For all those who support the strikes

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Where do you think the money will come from for all the pay rises? Are you personally willing to pay more tax?
We all saw during the pandemic it is the poorly paid essential workers that kept the country going and they totally deserve more money than the claps they got. However will YOU be prepared to contribute to the pot ?

If not where do you think the govn will find more money from?

Ah, must be the patient customer's fault.
I think walking up to a desk and saying 'Hi I've been sent from A/E,', shouldn't result in such an unprofessional reply. Nor should staff tut and complain in front of patients about lack of information from other depts.
I actually began my working life as a cleaner, so no I don't look down on nurses. I was the lowest of the low, cleaner from another country. I do have expectations from others to be polite and professional be that at work or socially.
You obviously do not.
I work in a mixed work environment where most of my peers at my level are male. So put the feminist victim card away because it isn't a valid excuse. No one cares what sex you are, all that matters is delivering results day in and day out and being professional and approachable.
People should 'own' their behavior in the workplace, not hide behind unions or heaven forbid pressure.

What an odd turn. 700,000 nurses in England should be denied a pay rise because one of them was short with a MNers husband.

It's almost like people are grasping for reasons to ignore the years of failing to increase wages in line with inflation or improve working conditions by retaining current staff and filling the 47,000 vacant nursing positions.

Yes. I'm a higher rate tax payer in Scotland and that's exactly where the increase in tax is eat marked for which I'm fine with. Royal Mail is another matter, the board have grossly mis managed the business and should find ways to move forward with the union to not destroy their workers Ts&Cs

Yes, that must be it then. Despite previously posting my opinion that all Public sector workers should receive a pay rise. I was agreeing with a poster that mentioned behavior has slipped in the NHS citing an example.
Dp's previous 2 partners spanning over 20 yrs worked directly for the NHS, so he has knowledge of all the nuances and complaints. He's heard it all, including information that would discredit the service, and senior staff. Bullying is rife in the NHS, it's common knowledge.
That is a fact acknowledged by all groups connected to the NHS.
As we've seen there's justification that would fail a judicial review that too.
Maybe when I'm stressed I'll swear and bully colleagues and customers.🙄

Don't forget there wouldn't be a shortage of staff if 80,000 weren't off every month.🤔

Your husband and his mates misgivings about behavioural issues have zero connection to the economic/ideological reasons why nurses pay hasn't risen inline with inflation. They aren't reasons to depress pay in a sector with vast job vacancies and significant problems in retaining experienced staff.

Mates?
Ex-wife and girlfriend.
I never said they were a reason not to increase pay.

You do realize post covid ALL service sectors have an issue with recruitment. All industries are attempting to rebalance the lack of pay incentives over the past 20 yrs.
Suppressing the movement of the public during covid means that all service providers and industries from all sectors have a 2 yr backlog.

Stop with the idealogical political conspiracy theories. No party will give the nurses 19%.

As for postal staff, are the unions aware that people will now look for other service providers? How foolish do you have to be, attempting leverage when you have competitors?

Not just here either, shortages are a post pandemic issue

Agree re RM and Rail customers will continue to drop demand

Nobody thinks nurses will get 19 per cent. It is a negotiable figure and the Government need to get on and talk to them. That is basic industrial policy which is instead being driven by a kind of collective idiocy where the Government decide they will not.

I think nearly everyone in the country sees that. Nobody is fooled by this approach who has a functioning brain - nursing is not a militant grouping of some kind.

Junior doctors are also likely to strike. This is a mess; an avoidable one, but is kept going for reasons which is about political careers.

It is a mistake.

100% support for the strikers

There is enough money. The government waste it all the time.

I agree LexMitior. Pat Cullen has made it very clear in an interview in todays Times that 19% is a starting point and they are open to discussions.
I note that Jake Berry and Dan Poulter have broken ranks to suggest that they should be offered more. We have to hope Barclay will find a way to do this.

There were 42,679 vacant nursing posts in September 2018. There were 47,496 in September 2022.
I am sure the pandemic played its part but this is a long term failure in NHS workforce planning.

Really? I'm not sure sickness rates have any effect on my team where there is currently 20% of our nurse positions vacant because there simply isn't anyone to fill them.

You are talking confidently about an area you lack experience to people who have experience.

Agree - Princess just shows herself up as an appalling snob.

Don't forget that there would be far fewer staff off sick if they weren't worked and stressed beyond their limits.

Bullying is rife in the NHS, it's common knowledge

My Mum was a nurse in the NHS and when she retired she went on bank until 72, thats mid 2000s, she never saw bullying or rudeness toward patients
My DD, has a stressful job in NHS and whilst she doesn't get the support she should get (staff shortages and long hours) she isn't bullied at all, she is very much put upon to do more hours but thats staff shortages again.... she enjoys her job but she is leaving.....

Don't forget there wouldn't be a shortage of staff if 80,000 weren't off every month

Again, total ignorance... DD has had considerable time off, all Covid related, 3x PCR positive, 3 x 5 days off...... unless you want someone coughing all over your very poorly parent or child?
Give you something else to moan about.

I asked DD... Atm a member of staff is off after being punched in the face... another because she was pushed over by a dementia patient and sprained his ankle.... another off with stress....

Healthcare demands that patient facing staff do not come into work with stuff that you or i could come into work with.

Its surprising this has to be spelt out to you.

Despite the fact, other industries with significantly more stress and responsibilities have lower rates of sickness.

And to quote stompythedinosaur.
Another poster has already shown the NHS has a long-standing issue with recruitment, this isn't new. I fully support the 19% pay increase. However, I'm nearly 100% sure the pay rises will NOT solve the problems with the service, bullying, and unprofessionalism that exist inwardly and outwardly in the NHS.

Despite the fact, other industries with significantly more stress and responsibilities have lower rates of sickness.

You mean ones where they're not around sick people with contagious diseases and aren't watching people die or seriously ill or going from 'getting better' to '24 hours max' in the space of an hour or two?

Despite the fact, other industries with significantly more stress and responsibilities have lower rates of sickness

What industries are those?

This has already been covered. The ONS report was linked to with a breakdown by industry, the public sector is double the private and health is double the average public sector.🙄
Anxiety/stress/depression/other psychiatric illnesses are consistently the most reported reason for sickness absence. Direct quote from NHS digital.
So someone working in a cardiac ward is going to suddenly have a cardiac arrest because it's obviously contagious.😂

My theory is, to pull the sick pay and I think the sickness will fall significantly.

I'm not sure I did get the industries that were more responsible and stressful, actually?

What were those?

My theory is, to pull the sick pay and I think the sickness will fall significantly.

Then you get doctors and nurses who are too sick to work but have no choice so everyone will get sicker and have worse care

They should give various options pay for your own training
are free train with 7 Tear tie in or u pay it back
both options would some people everyone’s situation is different

My theory is, to pull the sick pay and I think the sickness will fall significantly

No shit Sherlock!

Whilst your about it.... halve pay but double the working week, they earn the same but productivity will increase... and as for 5 weeks holiday.. that has to go.

My DD starts a new rotation in respiratory.. her going onto the wards with flu etc will do wonders for bed blocking....

any more bright ideas?

As for paying back student loan.... tbh that debt for the vast majority of nurses will never be paid back... so IF we indentured nurses for 7 years, we'd be making their T & C's far worse.

Will do wonders for recruitment.

Less than 6% of the workforce at a time when there's still a contagious virus flying around? That doesn't sound so bad. And it's certainly flying around, even if it's rarely fatal now, one of the depots at work were really struggling for staff the other month, even the roster clerks were going down with it.