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To not want to strike ?

93 replies

Idontwanttostrike · 14/12/2022 16:18

Nurses strike tomorrow and I'm not doing it. I know I'm being selfish but I don't want to lose money before Christmas plus still have to pay childcare to stand in the cold. My job is actually ok but I know others are suffering.
Feeling guilty now , anyone in same boat ?

OP posts:
RambamThankyouMam · 14/12/2022 17:05

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Fuck off.

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2022 17:05

Are you working on the strike days? Ie walking in, that might be tough I hope work isn’t too difficult after

thenightsky · 14/12/2022 17:06

ilovesooty · 14/12/2022 17:00

I hope you're going to have the decency to leave your union at least. You'll save the union subs won't you? I wouldn't want to represent you in any employment dispute you might encounter if I were your union rep.

Yep. Agree with this, as a retired union rep myself.

Ringneck · 14/12/2022 17:06

TheSmallAssassin · 14/12/2022 16:55

We are all going to be miserable anyway if nobody wants to work as a nurse any more because it doesn't pay enough.

If nobody will want to work as a nurse anymore, perforce wages will go up. That's how the marketplace works.

I've left a job because I wanted more and they wouldn't give me. As an independent contractor I've refused and been refused because of my price. As an employer I've had an employee quit for the same reason.

You decide how much you want to be paid, the employer decides how much the position is worth to them. If you're both in agreement, fine. Otherwise you look for other work and they'll look for another worker.

Striking is inherently unfair as it tries to force the employer by holding Joe Public to ransom.

Ringneck · 14/12/2022 17:07

@RambamThankyouMam

No.

Timmymagical · 14/12/2022 17:08

Could you strike on one of the days rather than both?

SouthwarkSwish · 14/12/2022 17:09

Some of these comments are disgusting.

How would those who called the OP a scab suggest she pays her gas bill?

MajorCarolDanvers · 14/12/2022 17:09

It is completely understandable and sorry you are getting nasty responses.

Hollyhead · 14/12/2022 17:10

It must be very difficult. Although I support nurses in so much that they deserve better working conditions, and understand why they’re striking I fail to see what the strike will achieve. The NHs will save a load of money tomorrow and waiting lists will just grow by another day more. They’ll still have all the catching up to do. Strikes are only really effective if you can affect the bottom line of a company.

HyggeandTea · 14/12/2022 17:11

That's fine, and looking at the language of some posters, its a shame they can't put forward an intelligent and reasoned argument without name calling and hysteria.

Pictograph · 14/12/2022 17:11

I'm not a nurse, but I'm in a different profession that had strikes recently. I didn't vote for strike action and I didn't strike.

TheSmallAssassin · 14/12/2022 17:12

Ringneck · 14/12/2022 17:06

If nobody will want to work as a nurse anymore, perforce wages will go up. That's how the marketplace works.

I've left a job because I wanted more and they wouldn't give me. As an independent contractor I've refused and been refused because of my price. As an employer I've had an employee quit for the same reason.

You decide how much you want to be paid, the employer decides how much the position is worth to them. If you're both in agreement, fine. Otherwise you look for other work and they'll look for another worker.

Striking is inherently unfair as it tries to force the employer by holding Joe Public to ransom.

Withdrawing your labour or leaving don't sound that different to me as negotiating strategies.

It takes years to train nurses, so waiting for everyone to leave before putting up wages seems a bit risky to me.

Andthisyoushallknow · 14/12/2022 17:13

@Ringneck you can tell you haven't been briefed very well on this. Nursing is already facing massively shortages of labour and more and more qualified staff leaving every year, so your plan doesn't work clearly when you have pisstaker's in government.

Striking is the only way. Nurses haven't aasked for this, neither have the trade unions . It is the fault of the Tory government.
To those saying that they are going to scab- are you going to cross the picket line ? That is shameful if you are.

katscamel · 14/12/2022 17:14

God, what a nightmare some people are. I'm sure OP would be more than happy to strike if she could afford to. Those that are striking what is the financial loss you will be taking? Can you afford to without your family suffering..and I don't mean you not having an extra bottle of wine over xmas/getting nails/hair done etc. Do you have enough to ensure your bills are paid for the next month or so?
I'm sure the OP has made the decision she feels is the right one for her personal circumstances and nobody has the right to judge.

thirstyformore · 14/12/2022 17:15

Wow. Horrendous comments on both sides. Everyone should have a right to strike, and a right not to strike, without being subject to abusive behaviour.

TheSmallAssassin · 14/12/2022 17:17

Hollyhead · 14/12/2022 17:10

It must be very difficult. Although I support nurses in so much that they deserve better working conditions, and understand why they’re striking I fail to see what the strike will achieve. The NHs will save a load of money tomorrow and waiting lists will just grow by another day more. They’ll still have all the catching up to do. Strikes are only really effective if you can affect the bottom line of a company.

The NHS isn't run for profit, so that's not the lever here. The impact is on the public, which then puts pressure on the government.

ilovesooty · 14/12/2022 17:18

SouthwarkSwish · 14/12/2022 17:09

Some of these comments are disgusting.

How would those who called the OP a scab suggest she pays her gas bill?

She can refuse to strike - that is her right. She doesn't have the right to expect others to approve of her decision.

No one compelled her to post about it.

EmilyGilmoresSass · 14/12/2022 17:19

thirstyformore · 14/12/2022 17:15

Wow. Horrendous comments on both sides. Everyone should have a right to strike, and a right not to strike, without being subject to abusive behaviour.

This. I personally know people who work for the NHS on strike who have left in order to save lives. Wouldn't call them scabs, I'd call them heroes.

Museya15 · 14/12/2022 17:19

I'm on two weeks leave but I'm still striking for my colleagues who are on £13 an hour.

ilovesooty · 14/12/2022 17:20

HyggeandTea · 14/12/2022 17:11

That's fine, and looking at the language of some posters, its a shame they can't put forward an intelligent and reasoned argument without name calling and hysteria.

I've been very careful not to use emotive language, except to refer to strike breakers. That's factual - the OP is one.

ilovesooty · 14/12/2022 17:21

Pictograph · 14/12/2022 17:11

I'm not a nurse, but I'm in a different profession that had strikes recently. I didn't vote for strike action and I didn't strike.

Did you remain in your union?

HumourReplacementTherapy · 14/12/2022 17:21

If you're in the union and they have the majority required for industrial action then you should support the union and strike. I'd be embarrassed to cross a picket line as a union member. Not to mention nervous!

traintraveller · 14/12/2022 17:25

Not wanting to lose 2 days pay is understandable, especially at this time of year. I'd imagine there will be a lot of nurses in the same position.

MrsTerryPratchett · 14/12/2022 17:26

It's been a while since I was in a public service which was looking at striking. But from what I remember, some essential staff are allowed to work, I was as a SW working with extremely vulnerable people. So it's not the case that the patients will suffer additionally.

There was also the option to join a non-striking union or not join a union. To be in a union, but reject the basic premise of collective action with your peers, seems dim at best. Collective action only works if union members are willing to accept short term hardship for long term gains.

Frankly, the OP sounds like a wind-up.

OP just leave the union. There's no way you should accept the benefits of membership without understanding the responsibilities to your union brothers and sisters.

ilovesooty · 14/12/2022 17:27

@MrsTerryPratchett spot on.