Offered a job at a lower ranking, not sure whether to take it

[Rolaskatox]

I went for an interview yesterday for a management position. I don't have any management experience yet but I'm completing a qualification at the minute which would give me a much greater chance to work in this field.

I was honest that I didn't have management experience yet but that I was working on the qualification and believed that I had what it takes,keen to progress etc.

I received feedback saying they would love to offer me a job, but an entry level one, not the management role I wanted, as I haven't got the experience.

They said if I perform well in this role then maybe with time they would promote me to management.

I really don't know what to do, I've got to give an answer asap. In a way it's frustrating because I'd like to get into management roles, but where are you meant to get the experience from if everyone wants experience?

Just not sure what to do

Nope.

I’d reply and say ‘thank you but I’m ready for management and whilst I appreciate the opportunity yada yada yada I don’t feel this is the right position for me’

Know your worth.

Yeah. If your face fits, if other employees are also competing for promotion, if the company doesn't decide to retrench or reorganize, or just about any other possible scenario.
It would be a big gamble for an uncertain reward at an unspecified future time.

So it's not a pay CUT.

It's a role paying £6k less than the one you applied for.

But the question should be does it get you nearer to where you want to go?

I'd be wary that they want someone prepared to do the management role, without the title or the salary.

I really don't know..
I do agree with the face fits thing sadly.
It's happened before where it had emerged one of our colleagues on the same level had been helping out management with admin work. This opportunity was never presented to us.
Indeed there's no guarantee they'd even promote me ever

No, I wouldn't take it. What use is a vague empty promise that you might get promoted eventually.

Seems perfectly reasonable. There's a big difference between textbook examples and reality.

Get real life experience under your belt and then look for another post

You're not qualified to take the management role. Get qualified and then look to move up.

It's a way of getting somebody in on the lower salary to do the higher salary work 'You want to move into management, don't you? Surely you'll do this little thing as it's all part of being a manager to cover all the shit shifts that nobody else is available for'

The best way is to ask for or take opportunities to carry out tasks managers usually do. Cover for managers, ask to take on some responsibilities, take meetings, do the staff rota etc etc.

Not sure how it works in your sector but when I did this years ago I got some experience as I was a tutor/mentor and I tutored a lot of people with issues so I was involved in managing their welfare, or developing and putting them on performance plans which all count.

I know you said you don’t think you can get this in your current place, can you ask for this from the other place who have offered you a job? and get it in writing of exactly what they will offer you? Or if there is a management post can they offer it you on a temporary basis with a view to making it permanent if they are satisfied with your performance, and if not put you down to the entry level?

But I agree with previous posters, unfortunately I don’t think you’ll get a management role without any kind of relevant experience and just a qualification, you’ll need to be able to demonstrate real life examples. Maybe trainee manager roles if they offer them in your sector?

Is the role with new company more than you are on? Many people make a sideways move to develop breadth of experience, to a company with more progression opportunities?

As someone who had to take time out due to illness and will never now get back to the salary I had previously, don't take a pay cut! Could you not get some management experience from voluntary work or something??

New shiny graduates get taken on as managers all the time and some of the ones I've met can barely run a bath never mind a team or a departmen. I think the company is being beyond cheeky to offer you less than you're on in the current climate. They'll end up using your desire to manage as an excuse to get you to do all kinds of things outside your job description....

No I wouldn't .
They are getting someone with potential on the cheap

I would consider
What are my chances of promotion with my current employer? If negligible I would move for the same money.

Stay where you are if they like you there, and see if you can offer to step up where possible.

A pay cut? An entry level position. People would be asking why you made that error in judgement. Women often tend to undervalue themselves. Know your worth

I retired as a care manager this summer, after 17 years I know the sector very well. If you want to be a manager you need to:
Get ahead with the training, get trained to level 4 or 5 asap, lots of care training is free.
Get to know CQC regulations inside out - especially safeguarding and medication.
Develop presentation skills, you will be asked to do one for most jobs.
Don’t wait for adverts, put the word about that you are looking, huge turn over at all levels in care.
Contact your local care providers association, they often know of jobs going and they and Skills for Care offer aspiring managers courses.
Take short courses in things like risk assessment, dementia etc at level 3 plus, not the on line ones.
If you get an interview dress and present yourself in a professional way. In my time I interviewed so many people who came for supervisory posts dressed in leggings and T shirts, with Crocs or similar.
Lastly as there is such a shortage of carers you will be offered a carers job if you aren’t successful with your application. I always did this and no one ever accepted. I can almost guarantee there will be no immediate prospects of promotion. I think you would be best advised to keep the applications going.

But you don’t have management experience and no training or qualification will give you that

you applied for a reason, if you like the company I’d take it as if you join see what happens and if you find there is no progression look around again

if I like someone I interview but they don’t have all the skills I’d do this then support their development into the role they wanted

Unless I’ve misread it’s not. A pay cut it’s just less than the role you applied for?

So it's a sideways move with better prospects? Take it. It doesn't mean you have to stay there to progress, if something comes along sooner then you can jump ship. At least you'll be able to learn from the managers that are there.

I’ve been on the other side of this recently after having held multiple interviews for jobs roles. Dunno if having this perspective will be helpful or not??

I contacted 2 people saying we wouldn’t offer them the management position because they didn’t have anything in their CV or interview that showed they had the necessary experience and we had other applicant who had management experience. Also they didn’t meet the criteria we were looking for at interview. However they were suites to more junior roles, so we offered them those as a possibility. It wasn’t us trying to be cheeky and get someone to do the work for less, it’s just we had people better suited/more experienced applying for the management role.

Did they give specific feedback about what they didn’t see that they wanted at interview?

How many management roles have you interviewed for so far?

I would base whether you move or not on which organisation has the better opportunity for moving up (do they advertise management roles regularly etc). It is usually easier to move into management with your current employer because If they know you and value you they are more likely to take a chance giving you your first management role.

Honestly I’d do it but try to negotiate a couple k extra so you have a bit of a pay rise. They obviously like you and have seen potential. You must be prospects /opportunities at your current place arent good currently?

I’d look to develop your career where you are rather than move and have to ‘start again’ so to speak. What’s your current manager like? Can you explain to them that you’d like to progress your career and volunteer to take on more responsibility (for free, initially, but to put yourself in a better position to apply for management roles)?

Are you working in a home or dom care?

Most homes will want to take you on as a result so you can demonstrate appropriate values and behaviours, and will make you a senior once they see you as a role model.

If the set up seems better go for it.