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To not buy my 16yr sister Xmas presents

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PawsAndReflection · 02/12/2022 23:51

I (30F) am the eldest of 6 siblings and despite us being all over the country all have a great relationship with each other. The youngest (17F) and I especially, my Mom had a very traumatic life and has issues with alcohol and relationships which meant that growing up I had a lot of responsibility for my younger siblings. She is a single mother and had her own business which meant I would finish school, come home and feed/bath/put to bed the two youngest and help the others with homework, housework etc.

I moved out at 18 but have always been there for the younger ones as my Mom went through a string of abusive relationships, the last one she is currently divorcing after he kicked the shit out of her in front of my two youngest siblings. It was the final straw after 3 years of physical, mental and financial abuse from him, not all just directed at my Mom.

I love my Mom and try to support her as much as I feel is appropriate, speaking to schools when the youngest gets in trouble, contributing to her mortgage and just giving all of them advice and someone to talk to when they need it. They’re not overly generous with recognising it but that’s not why I do it, however in this situation it’s kind of important.

I moved to a big city about 5 years ago and live with my partner (35M) who loves all my family and treats them as though they’re his own sisters. We’ve made sure they know they can come and stay with us whenever they need some space, or just to treat them to the kind of culture they don’t get back home. We want to show them that by working hard at school they can gain freedom to live, work and explore wherever they like.

Now here’s the problem. My youngest sister ‘Daisy’ has visited a lot, and usually for at least a week at a time. I work from home 3 days a week so typically she’ll just chill out watching tv or playing online then we’ll do things in the evening, and I’ll take a day or two off to sightsee or go shopping. She is a little nervous about travelling around on her own so this time we suggested she bring a friend with her so they could use the train/bus to properly explore the City.

From the first day she was a nightmare. She was upset we didn’t meet her at the station (a 10 min walk from our house) to carry her bags. Then she stayed up until 6am vaping in the living room, falling asleep with all the windows open and leaving the house freezing, after I’d asked her to only vape in her room if not outside. Her and her friend spent the whole week sleeping until 5pm, ordering fast food and then staying up until 6/7am and playing YouTube loudly in the room next to where we were sleeping.

I didn’t lose my temper, I just spoke to her and reiterated the house rules pointing out it wasn’t fair for them to do this (while leaving shit everywhere) particularly as me and my partner were working during the day. I had given them cash on the condition they use it to explore the city, they spent it on vapes and McDonald’s.

On the Friday, I woke them up nicely at 11am and said if they wanted us to take them out that night and weekend then they needed to go out rather than spending another day in bed. They left at 5.30, went to one shop and started calling us to meet them because they were hungry. At this point, I had met a friend for a quick drink and thought that leaving them another hour rather than racing to meet them would force them into doing a bit of exploring.

By the time we met them at 7pm, they were both clearly sulking, the whole dinner they sat whispering behind their hands, making snide comments and completely ignoring us. My friends sister then made up that her Grandad had died and so unfortunately they had to get the train back tomorrow to make the funeral on Sunday.

Honestly I was relieved- it had been so stressful having them I didn’t even really care that they were lying. But when they said they’d be getting the 4pm train the next day I put my foot down and said they needed to be out by 10am, I didn’t want to waste my whole Saturday feeling awkward with them in the house.

When we got home, I tried to address all of this with her. My main issue was we’ve always had such a good relationship, I would have been fine if she’d said ‘I think we’re going to go home early as it all just feels a bit awkward’ rather lying to my face- again. She immediately started to blame me and my partner for not making them welcome and for leaving them on their own while we had a drink with a friend. She completely lied to my face about a number of things, including how my
partner had treated her (I’ve never seen him raise his voice and he’d spent the week cooking and tidying up after them without a peep), so I ended the conversation and went back to our room without losing my temper.

So 8am the next day (when my sister assumed I’d be asleep) she messaged me from the other room saying ‘we’ve booked our ticket, if you’d like to try and make up come and speak to me but I don’t want this to turn into a blame game’. I think it was so she could say ‘look! I messaged her and she didn’t even come down to say goodbye’. She then attempted to sneak out of the house without saying anything, but I called her back, said I’m sorry this didn’t pan out how we wanted and to let me know she got back safe.

Since then there’s been radio silence, not even a happy birthday for me last week until a text this morning saying ‘shall we call a truce?’. I’m sure the only reason for this is Xmas is coming up and we usually splash out more than anyone for the two youngest, as my Mom is struggling with money and their dad isn’t around.

I don’t want this to turn into a huge drama, which she’s good at, and I don’t want it to carry on into Xmas but unless she apologises I feel like it sets a terrible standard for me to buy her a ton of presents and act as if everything is normal. I’m either a bitch or a pushover and I just don’t know what to do.

Thoughts?

OP posts:
Bananarama21 · 03/12/2022 07:01

You would be unfair to get everyone a gift and not her. It's sounds like your dm is chaotic in terms of having several relationships with multiple children with different men the last one being violent. I cannot imagine the horror of what those dc witnessed. I'm surprised the social workers aren't involved. Not to meantion your dm living on the poverty line that present off you will mean aloteven if she doesnt say. She's a typical teenager likely abit damaged from her experiences show abit of kindness.

slowquickstep · 03/12/2022 07:05

MarianneVos · 03/12/2022 00:16

They're teen-agers! Not sure why you were so determined they needed to do sightseeing rather than just enjoy themselves however they wanted. Tell them to be quiet if they woke you up, but if they wanted to stay up all night and sleep all day let them! They're not always going to have that freedom so should be allowed to make the most of it.

I think maybe you both need to start afresh and not escalate by not giving presents. You are the older one after all, model good behaviour and how to build/maintain relationships.

I would imagine she was determined because it was her money and she didn't want it spent on vapes and takeaways. As for staying up all night and keeping the OP and her Husband awake, do you really think that is ok. Being a teenager does not give you a free pass to lie and disrespect others.

Allsnotwell · 03/12/2022 07:18

As a teen on holiday we were left to explore and really enjoyed the freedom.
My own teens on holiday wanted to hang round with us! No idea where this shift came from - it’s alien to me.

I would by her a gift - because that’s what you do at Christmas.

Buy her something similar to the 19 year old - then there’s no favouritism.

Next time don’t invite the friend over - it didn’t work out.

Sceptre86 · 03/12/2022 07:27

It's hard when you are the parent by proxy. In that case I would give a gift but set a limit so £50 max. I think you have done enough for them all and should focus on your own life and not do things for them beyond the normal sibling relationship. I'm assuming that will be hard for you and potentially not what you want as you have picked up your mother's slack for so long. The thing is you can't save everyone and her behaviour in my opinion at least is shocking but then I wasn't vaping (didn't exist), staying up till 5am when I was her age.

converseandjeans · 03/12/2022 07:30

@PawsAndReflection

Before this all happened I bought tickets for us all (Grandma and female cousins too) because I thought a lovely girls only show would be a pre-Xmas treat

You sound really generous &.a lovely daughter & sister. They're lucky to have you.

AThousandStarlings · 03/12/2022 07:39

hmm, I think she was behaving like a teen and showing off to her friend. Don't let her bring a friend with her next time/or for a while when she visits- (and eventually set guest rules when she does visit since as she gets older the desire to visit your exciting town with a mate will increase - and it'll be a visit to 'town' with less focus on a visit to see 'you').

Yes defn buy Xmas presents. That kind of love and care is unconditional - and not dependant on being a good house guest.

She is soo lucky to have you. You sound amazing. Parenting is a hard thankless task !

Aishah231 · 03/12/2022 07:53

I think as other posters have said OP you need to buy presents as normal. However I think you need to rethink the role you've taken on. You're taking on all the responsibility for your family. That can only lead to resentment in the long term. Use the current financial situation to justify cutting back on presents for everyone this year. They all see you as a cash cow because that's what you are. Change the dynamic before it's too late - before they are all adults with children still expecting you to solve all their problems.

Spandang · 03/12/2022 07:55

I’d buy her a gift. It’s unconditional love not tit for tat.

If your sister has grown up in a home with abusive relationships, she’s going to have absorbed some of that behaviour and communication style. If you withhold presents I do think you’re reinforcing that feeling, that is something an abuser would do.

But I would sit her down and be brutally honest with her about your boundaries and how she overstepped them. She needs to learn that lesson for the future.

I think if it was me I’d probably go one step further and explain why you open your home to her, how you’ve cared for her and how you’ve done that because while you love Mum, she’s not always been the best.

GingerScallop · 03/12/2022 08:12

Just to say OP, you are an amazing sister. You did not choose to be proxy mum but you are doing it with love. It's not easy especially when kids are teens and worse in your case, living in the kind of dysfunctional environment your little is in. Her behaviour is part normal teen behaviour and part product of living in a dysfunctional environment. So much love and many hugs to you. Stay strong and loving but also take breaks and breathe

Poppyblush · 03/12/2022 08:50

sge seems to be at yours a lot - is she missing school?

AndEverWhoKnew · 03/12/2022 13:29

It's fine not to address it with her before the show. It's an issue of timing. You choose not to raise it now because it could spoil a larger family event. You can still raise it after that weekend and explain you didn't want to create an atmosphere.
I'm interested in why you feel you need to raise it again. Is it so you can ask for an apology? You made her go out with her friend. You left her waiting whilst you had drinks. You then made her leave at 10am not 4pm. They were all valid 'consequences' for her behaviour.
You need to start navigating the shift from proxy parent to sister. Her olive branch of calling a truce is fine between siblings. It's also a way teens will start approaching an apology to parents. You seem to have shut that down as manipulative. Maybe it wasn't.

PawsAndReflection · 03/12/2022 16:39

Poppyblush · 03/12/2022 08:50

sge seems to be at yours a lot - is she missing school?

She's only at mine during holidays really and sometimes a weekend- but yes she has been missing school hence the meetings my Mum has had to attend recently

OP posts:
PawsAndReflection · 04/12/2022 19:44

Thanks for everyone's input! I really appreciate it.

I tried calling then sent her a message Friday evening suggest we talk before they all come to visit next weekend but...nothing. So I think my only option is to be cordial, don't make it into any bigger of a thing, and for Xmas I'll get her some nice pjs and bath things rather than the big ticket pressies she usually asks for.

Hopefully time will help!

OP posts:
ReallyTiredAndHungry · 04/12/2022 19:54

This isn’t Reddit.

PawsAndReflection · 04/12/2022 20:02

ReallyTiredAndHungry · 04/12/2022 19:54

This isn’t Reddit.

What's your point? Xmas Confused

OP posts:
ReallyTiredAndHungry · 04/12/2022 21:03

PawsAndReflection · 04/12/2022 20:02

What's your point? Xmas Confused

That maybe your childish post, clearly written as if it was for AITA could go there instead.

PawsAndReflection · 04/12/2022 23:49

@ReallyTiredAndHungry Well, thank you for your input.

OP posts:
poefaced · 05/12/2022 00:01

for Xmas I'll get her some nice pjs and bath things rather than the big ticket pressies she usually asks for.

This is a good plan. Unfortunately she’s taking the visits and days out and gifts as her due and has become entitled. I had this with my nieces and scaled it all back.

poefaced · 05/12/2022 00:02

ReallyTiredAndHungry · 04/12/2022 21:03

That maybe your childish post, clearly written as if it was for AITA could go there instead.

What are on about?

BeatieBourke · 05/12/2022 00:18

Here's the message I would want to send to your sister if I were in your shoes (and I would find it helpful to receive if I were her):

Your love for her as your sister is not conditional on her behaviour. I suspect she needs to know this (given her relationship with your mother) more than most.

The effor that you go to because you enjoy spending time with her and she's your friend IS conditional on her behaviour. Because that's how friendships work.

My approach would be to give gifts for Christmas. Perhaps not lavishly, but not noticeably reluctantly. Its Christmas and she's family. But the next time she wants to stay, be clear that her behaviour the last time was unacceptable to you and, if she behaves that way again, you won't be offering up your place as somewhere to stay with her friends.

With regard to the text, take the upper hand. "No need for a truce. You'll always be my sister. You upset me a bit. That's for another time. Looking forward to seeing you at Christmas! X"

Sets the tone, let's her know she's not off the hook, is adult, but kind. Treat her as though she is the person you know she can be, and explain why you're pissed off when she let's herself down.

Being in your role is a tough gig. Hers isn't a picnic either.

BeatieBourke · 05/12/2022 00:19

Ps, you sound like a lovely sister OP.

thinkhorsesnotzebra · 05/12/2022 00:48

@ReallyTiredAndHungry Quite frankly YTA. What are you trying to achieve?

@PawsAndReflection You are an amazing sister and it does sound like you and all your siblings have not had the easiest upbringing. My gut reaction was anger on your behalf, I do not think being 17 is an excuse to behave in that way with no consequences. However I have very little experience with teenagers so you are probably best taking the sage advice from those that do!

I think the 'low key' present still sounds lovely and is on reflection is a much better approach than cutting her off.

PawsAndReflection · 05/12/2022 22:49

I just wanted to say again to everyone (almost Wink) who's replied.

I feel a lot better about my approach now and much stronger just having a plan. It's hard because I love her so much, and I know she'll grow out of it but that boundaries are what will make her better in the long run.

I've had some amazing PMs too, so thank you again to everyone who has taken the time to give me another perspective. It's super hard not having this experience (having a teenage child) and trying to do the right thing.

OP posts:
Saracen · 06/12/2022 22:43

@BeatieBourke With regard to the text, take the upper hand. "No need for a truce. You'll always be my sister. You upset me a bit. That's for another time. Looking forward to seeing you at Christmas! X"

Wow, that is so perfect! Loving, reassuring, friendly, and firm all wrapped up in a few lines.

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