"You can't have it for free",aibu?

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So I'm at Manchester for the Christmas markets.
Spent £20 on a Greek sharing box to eat for lunch.
I ask for two forks and she tells me they've ran out and to get them from the Brazilian stand opposite.
So off I go and say "can I have two of the plastic forks please as the Greek stand have ran out"

She says "no I'm not allowed as you didn't buy food here,you can't expect them for free"
I said okay il buy a drink
She said no only food
The cheapest thing was £10
So I sad no
Aibu to think she could of gave me a plastic fork
Is this what the worlds came too?
She had a huge and I mean huge tub of cutlery

So we had to eat with our hands which was near impossible as it was coated in sauces etc

What exactly do you think the agreement is that the two stalls would have in this situation?

They wouldn't need one in this situation.

If the Greek stall was sending loads of customers over to the Brazil stall asking for forks, then they could have just made a nice profit couldn't they.

If they weren't then the Greek stall wasn't frequently running out of forks and there's no reason for the Brazil stall not to cover the Greek stall in an adverse event.

Both are quite obvious win/win business decisions.

Well actually we do, the Greek stand had run out of forks While the Brazilian one still had loads left.

Obviously they weren't selling much or making any profit so should have sold a drink. Unless they were being petty and unreasonable. Which they were.

So you are admitting that your assertion that they are unreasonable not to have an agreement is false?

And now you are asserting that a specialist food cart is unreasonable not to automatically become a cutlery retailer - even though you have no idea about the long or short term market for it, the opportunity cost, Christmas Market rules over what they can sell, or what the public attitude might be to them opportunistically selling disposable cutlery for a significant mark up?

I’m impressed you have 500 mates !

Well actually we do, the Greek stand had run out of forks While the Brazilian one still had loads left.
Obviously they weren't selling much or making any profit so should have sold a drink. Unless they were being petty and unreasonable. Which they were.

Why obviously? Maybe they bulk bought enough cutlery to last a while so they didn't run out or have to shut up shop to make a cash and carry run? Maybe the Greek stall brought 100 forks and ran out and maybe the Brazilian stall brought 500 forks and still have 300 left.

Not at all. If you read back you'll see the market traders said that the stalls will have limited space for cutlery.

On this basis a specialist food stall should either have an agreement with another for adverse circumstances or if they're not selling anything adapt to survive.

Clearly nobody wants to use this food stall because of their poor attitude and they're likely to go out of business.

Take it up with the market traders who said they have limited space for cutlery. People can't have it both ways.

If they had that many forks it's a poor decision not to use one to sell a drink with one. Don't have to be a market trader to see that if the profit margins for a drink are that poor they'll be out of business quickly.

Take it up with the market traders who said they have limited space for cutlery. People can't have it both ways.

But maybe they prioritised cutlery over something else? Maybe they don't need as much equipment as the other stall, we don't know. They have no obligation to set up an agreement with another staff when they might not need help or they may never see the other stall again.

@HotChoxs are you local to Manchester and have you been to the Xmas markets?

I can't believe this is still going and people are actually replying to Chox who is obviously just on a wind up now

Christ on a bike, Chox, was that your husband running the Greek stall? I can’t fathom your endless speculations to make the Brazilian stall the baddies otherwise.

Space is at a premium, forks are 2p a go, you plan as many sets of cutlery (plus small margin) as the portions of food you can produce that night.

CF Greek food stall can’t plan effectively and has run out of cutlery. Instead of closing for 10- 30 minutes (or however long) while someone runs to Nisbet’s or begs/cadges/buys cutlery from a rival stall, they sell food their customers can’t eat without getting messy and say “go ask the Brazilian stall for cutlery.”

Brazillian stall may well have been happy to give away a few forks, but we don’t know how long this has persisted, or how regularly the Greek run out.

I imagine they get pretty pissed off with rival traders blithely telling people to cadge stuff from them. But it’s not like they can discuss it with the people at fault (Greek stall) during a busy time.

Their best play is to knock the problem back to the Greek stall - angry customers kicking off is more likely to get the Greek stall to get its act together more than an annoyed rival would be

”These are for our customers, please take the issue up with the stall that sold you your order.”

If these are the stalls I’m thinking of, they are there day after day during December. If the Brazilian is already digging their heels in, I suspect the Greek stall is a CF of the highest order.
Or just incompetent.

Maybe the moon will fall out of the sky

It's clear they had loads of cutlery, and it's clear they were being petit.

Space is at a premium, forks are 2p a go, you plan as many sets of cutlery (plus small margin) as the portions of food you can produce that night.

Then they weren't selling anything as they had a big tub of it left when the Greek stall had already sold out of forks. People do tend to eat at the same time you know.

Proof that this Brazil stall is a poor business

I’m impressed you have 500 mates !

Not real friends; they're only with me because I pay them (well, I let them keep the free forks)!

Brazillian stall may well have been happy to give away a few forks, but we don’t know how long this has persisted, or how regularly the Greek run out.

Would have been better if it happened regularly. Could have sold lots of drinks to make up for their lack of food sales. Clearly not on the ball with that one😅

@slashlover

Maybe they bulk bought enough cutlery to last a while so they didn't run out or have to shut up shop to make a cash and carry run?

@CheeseIsMyPatronus
Space is at a premium, forks are 2p a go, you plan as many sets of cutlery (plus small margin) as the portions of food you can produce that night.

There you go slash, hope that's clear 😂

Am I the only one imagining the Greek stall with a section and large sign at the end saying "Cutlery available here"?

There's a lively bouzouki band playing in the background and customers have to specify exactly what cutlery they might want to hazard a guess at:

"Do you have any forks?"
"Sorry, none of those left."
OK, I'll have a spoon, then, please."
"We've had a big run on the spoons today - all gone."
"Maybe a knife, then?"
"Impossible to get hold of plastic knives these days."
"OK.... how about chopsticks???"
"Yes! We do have chopsticks! Ah.... no, we just gave away the last pair not five minutes ago."
"Do you actually have any cutlery?!"
"Of course we do - this is the cutlery section!!!!!"
"Really? Do you actually have any cutlery at all?! Go on, admit it!!!"
"Alright, no we don't, we don't have any cutlery at all.... will you STOP that irritating music?!?!?!"

@HotChoxs is just trolling. It’s tedious.

I've used reason and logic to show that Brazil stall has been unreasonable.

You're the one trolling.

Alternatively, we don't know which of us is correct and it's pure speculation from everyone posting on this thead.

Thanks for making my point for me.

Facts are Brazil stall had a lot of cutlery and the OP was willing to pay for it. They didn't come to an agreement so the stall was being unreasonable.

Everything else is just speculation.

Fact is Brazil stall is not a cutlery shop and are under no obligation to sell a fork to OP.

Facts are Greek stall sold food without having any cutlery, and took no steps to resolve that.

Everything else is speculation.

Hi cheese lover