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NC with in laws over their racism but they deny everything

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Youcancallmenighthawk · 30/11/2022 14:14

I've been with my DH for 13 years, married for 10. We have 2 young children. My relationship with in-laws has been strained but cordial for the sake of my husband. They've done and said some dodgy stuff over the years, for example when we were first together and I was invited round for dinner, they asked me about the council estate I'd grown up on and if our "toilet was an outhouse because isn't that what council houses have?"Confused

Also a few years ago, my sister and law (their daughter, husband's sister) and her husband (who is mixed race) had their first baby just after ours and they wanted 3 weeks alone as a family before they received visitors. The in-laws were frothing and said their choice was ludicrous and took the shine off the birth etc and then blamed it on SIL's husband's "customs" from his birth country and it couldn't possibly be SIL's choice. BIL called them out on their prejudice and how they wouldn't listen, they went NC and the in laws didn't see their baby grandson until he was 1 year old. There's no such custom from where he's from, they made it up. BIL is still NC with them. We've supported SIL and BIL over the years and we're friends with them. SiL keeps things civil and brings their children up to see their grandparents on her own.

This has never sat right with me because I think they behaved disgustingly towards new parents, someone of mixed race and someone who was supposed to be family. My relationship was strained with them even more as a result but also because they've made racist comments, his dad uses the shortened version of Pakistani to mean any brown person from Asia and his mum once said "If any of my children were gay, I'd disown them". My husband has witnessed everything they've said.

We took them to task about it because although they have never respected our parenting decisions, the last straw came when they caused our newly diagnosed autistic child to have a meltdown. They didn't listen to us when we said not to do something, they did it anyway and it led to a horrific meltdown which took him a long time to recover from. They only see their grandparents once a month maybe and they aren't very affectionate with them. They constantly compare them to their cousins and put a massive emphasis on academic achievement. We told them all this while they didn't agree, things were civil but then I brought up the racism/bigotry and his dad exploded and became very aggressive. They claimed never to have said anything and that I was making it up, despite my husband saying he'd heard it as well and made us leave.

Nothing more was said over the past 4/5 days since it happened. Then my husband gets a text this morning saying "we will always be there for you, child 1 and child 2. Don't leave it too long to get in touch. All our love always mum and dad." It's honestly sent me into a tailspin and I'm not sure what to do now. How can they deny that anything happened and not only that but blame it on me?! Like I'm keeping them hostage or something. Husband is "drafting a reply". I feel sick and my stomach is churning with anxiety.

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Bronnau · 30/11/2022 14:17

What horrible bastards. They're emotionally manipulating your husband. I'm afraid that there is no way on earth I would be exposing my children to racism and homophobia, never mind the kind of messed-up family dynamic they have going on.

Dotingmumandgranny · 30/11/2022 14:19

They sound awful. I wouldn't want anything more to do with them.

Derbee · 30/11/2022 14:23

“I think we will leave it, for getting in touch. Your racism and homophobia are unacceptable and doing too much damage to family relationships. Sorry that you’re so hateful”

Youcancallmenighthawk · 30/11/2022 14:49

I've put up with it for the sake of my husband and my kids but I just can't anymore @Derbee that is similar to how he's feeling. He can't let them treat me this way he says. He's not falling for their bullshit. I have a headache and feel panicky and they told me I'd never make a good (insert career here) because I'm not a good person :(

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Derbee · 30/11/2022 15:10

@Youcancallmenighthawk they sound awful. You’ve tried. Your husband has tried. Other family members have gone NC, with good reason. Don’t beat yourselves up, you’re not the ones to blame.

Glad your DH feels the same way as you - that’s a huge part of the battle won already.

Tontostitis · 30/11/2022 15:13

They sound awful but uou dont sound a lot bryter. Lots of judgemental nastiness on both sudes your poor husband caught up in all this

Merryoldgoat · 30/11/2022 15:14

Sounds like good riddance to me.

CarolineHelston · 30/11/2022 15:17

I'd be inclined to let the contact drop down to a very low level indeed. Not replying to texts, calls, messages - or just minimal replies after a long time. 'V busy at moment. Hope all's well' - that sort of thing. Tricky to not let children see grandparents at all, but possible to keep things very occasional and brief. Dropping in twice a year for an hour on the way to somewhere else. That sort of thing.

mommatoone · 30/11/2022 15:20

Sounds like the perfect opportunity to tell them where to go OP.

Before you know it, they will be instilling their disgusting predujices on their grandchildren.

Id walk away while you have the chance.

Youcancallmenighthawk · 30/11/2022 17:33

@Tontostitis OK, I'm listening, why do you feel there is judgemental nastiness from me?

Is it nasty to be opposed to racism? Or is it nasty to give these people patience when they give me pointed barbs about my upbringing?

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FlorettaB · 30/11/2022 17:37

I’d keep your DC away from them. I wouldn’t want them exposed to that kind of language or to people who ignore their needs and actively cause them distress (your poor DC who had a meltdown.) What your DH chooses to do is up to him.

Sprouttreesareamazing · 30/11/2022 17:41

Just block them. Tell dh he is free to see them should he choose but your dc won't be subject to them. We are nc with both our dps. Dc never see them either.

YumSushi · 30/11/2022 17:44

This sounds awful. Why would your DH want your kids round that?

LookItsMeAgain · 30/11/2022 17:57

The issue is that you want to break the cycle of nastiness and not have your children influenced by their toxicity.

I think your DH needs to turn the tables (so to speak) on them. They should be the ones to apologise to you (and also your BiL) so call them out on their behaviour and comments again.
Your DH has to reply something along the lines of what @Derbee has suggested already or maybe something like this:
Hi Mum & Dad - As you appear to have failed to notice, I am no longer interested in any further communications with you until you apologise to @Youcancallmenighthawk for your behaviour towards my wife recently. I genuinely expected better from you both. The opinions you hold and think are acceptable to share are abhorrent and I will no longer expose my family to them. When you are ready to accept your part in what happened on X date, and are genuinely sorry and will not repeat it, we will be ready to hear from you.

thehorsehasnowbolted · 30/11/2022 18:09

OP you sound like you have a personal vendetta against your DH's parents due to a question they asked about your childhood and one incident with your child that they appear to have caused inadvertedly

This has never sat right with me because I think they behaved disgustingly towards new parents, someone of mixed race and someone who was supposed to be family

The above has nothing to do with you. You want to beat them with the 'racists' stick in order to have the upper hand. Your SIL and BIL have reached a compromise that suits them. Why are you trying to interfere with this?

I feel sorry for parents in this situation TBH

Youcancallmenighthawk · 30/11/2022 18:48

@thehorsehasnowbolted when his mum made the comment about disowning a child if they were gay was made during a conversation about my sister and her girlfriend. But I guess that's nothing to do with me either? I should put my blinkers on and let them carry on. As for vendetta, I've tried to have patience and compassion but I can't do it anymore. They caused the meltdown and they don't believe our son is autistic. They think it's an excuse, along with ADHD and other conditions of that nature, for a naughty/spoiled child.

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Youcancallmenighthawk · 30/11/2022 18:49

Please excuse my awful grammar in that last reply. If only an edit button existed.

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Keyansier · 30/11/2022 19:06

I wouldn't personally agree that it's judgmental nastiness from you OP, but I don't think you've acted completely innocently. You said although they didn't agree with you, that things were civil so why did you then push after that? I don't know why you have inserted (dare I even say, centred) yourself in all of this anyway.

GinIronic · 30/11/2022 19:13

IME, people you have challenged for being racist or homophobic never then say to you - 'gosh you are right - I will mend my terrible views" - they just deny saying it and move on. So should you. Move on and don't engage.

Youcancallmenighthawk · 30/11/2022 20:56

@Keyansier I have haven't I? I really didn't mean to and DH supports me in this and I just couldn't handle it anymore. They're just so passive aggressive and unwelcoming. They blame everything on my "mental health" (I have depression and OCD, I'm fine at the moment) and they treat DH like a child who doesn't know his own mind. This was a long time coming. I know I'm not innocent and I think that's part of why I'm so churned up and anxious

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Cherrysoup · 30/11/2022 21:26

I had to tell 2 students today that making homophobic/disablist comments (I’d cut off my son if he was gay/I’d leave if my kid was disabled-we were discussing related issues during a Personal Development lesson) is unacceptable and I hoped they would grow up emotionally. I’m really sorry to hear that your in-laws are making similar comments. Making racist comments (at all!) when your bil isn’t of their nationality is horrible.

Youcancallmenighthawk · 01/12/2022 11:22

@Cherrysoup it's hard isn't it? I just don't think it's acceptable and they used the excuse of having an "off day" and tried to bully me into saying I had used slurs in my life, particularly when drunk. Nope, I never have and never will.

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