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Who had right of way?

72 replies

Waytoofar · 30/11/2022 14:02

I’ve uploaded a picture of the scenario. Cars 1,2 and 3. I’ve added the direction they were indicating to go. Car 1 was turning their right, car 2 was turning their right and car 3 was going straight. What order should the cars have gone in. By time car 3 got to the roundabout car 2 was approx where the 1 and 2 arrows meet. 3 stopped and gave 2 lots of abuse. Beeping, flashing and sticking fingers up. Meanwhile car 1 is patiently waiting for everyone to move so they can 🤔

Who had right of way?
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SirCharlesRainier · 30/11/2022 14:21

I thought it wasn't 'give way to the right" but rather "give way to traffic already on the roundabout" (which in practice does almost always mean give way to the right). In which case 3 has no grounds for argument even if he was almost there, or was going fast as in the situation @wombat1a describes.

But I might have imagined that, and can't be bothered to actually look it up.

wombat1a · 30/11/2022 14:22

If you use the cars at the top to get an idea of how far car #3 was from the roundabout it was no more than 20m from its stop line. Considering it was probably moving at a decent pace because its driver assuming #2 was going to yield then 20m is certainly close enough for it to be considered approaching the roundabout and have priority over #2.

If I was #2 I would certainly not go with #3 approaching from the right unless it was obvious I could make my move without causing #3 to brake. And that I think is the key here, #2 should not have moved if it was going to cause #3 to have to deviate to miss #2 because #3 is to the right of #2 so have priority.

GerbilsForever24 · 30/11/2022 14:23

Car 1 was right to give way to car 2. if Car 3 was as far away as implied in this picture, then Car 2 was right to go. Based on your explanation, car 2 was already most of the way round when Car 3 arrived so really, car 3 should have slowed down but still been able to enter the roundabout. The entire POINT of a roundabout is to allow more than one car on an intersection at once.

So it should have been car 2 on roundabout, joined by Car 3. Then as car 2 left, car 1 would have joined car 3 but would have been the last to leave the roundabout.

GerbilsForever24 · 30/11/2022 14:24

Pressed post too soon. We have an intersection exactly like this one near our house. It never ceases to infuriate me how few people seem to understand the concept of more than one car on the roundabout at a time.

WatchoRulo · 30/11/2022 14:26

SirCharlesRainier · 30/11/2022 14:21

I thought it wasn't 'give way to the right" but rather "give way to traffic already on the roundabout" (which in practice does almost always mean give way to the right). In which case 3 has no grounds for argument even if he was almost there, or was going fast as in the situation @wombat1a describes.

But I might have imagined that, and can't be bothered to actually look it up.

Here's what the highway code says you should do -
"give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights"

Lonelycrab · 30/11/2022 14:29

Can’t see how 3 could think they have RoW.
Perhaps 3 didn’t realise there was an actual roundabout there. The markings look pretty faded on the photo. Not saying they’re in the right of course but it would explain it.

girlmom21 · 30/11/2022 14:30

2, 1 and 3 if it's as you say, but 3 must have been driving dangerously fast if that's the case.

pocketvenuss · 30/11/2022 14:36

Boomboom22 · 30/11/2022 14:11

Doesn't matter how close 3 was, give way to the right so if they got there and 2 was ready then it's 2s right of way, 2 is to the right of 3 even though it is a straight road the rules of roundabouts apply not main roads.

2 is not to the right of 3....... 3 is to the right of 2. Oh dear God, please say you don't drive

pocketvenuss · 30/11/2022 14:38

Adultchildofelderlyparents · 30/11/2022 14:16

Difficult to judge without being there to know distances/speed, but going from this picture only I would expect the order to be
1, 3, 2

It would NEVER be 1, 3, 2. 1 is to the left of 2 so 2 would absolutely go before 1

MrsVeryTired · 30/11/2022 14:45

2,1,3
I wonder if it used to be a straight through road and 3 acts like it still is. There is a road in a town near me that used to be straight but now has a roundabout and many people treat it like there is no roundabout.

Waytoofar · 30/11/2022 14:46

Ok so i was car 1. As OP said, one was a BMW. It was car 3 lol. Car 3 could have continued but clearly had no intention of stopping even tho, from what I learnt in my lessons, I had priority as I was crossing his path on the roundabout. Car 3 really was as far as the picture shows but was going quite fast. He didn’t slow at all. Just kept going. The thing is he could have just kept going without his dramatic hand gestures. If 3 slowed at a roundabout as he should have everyone would have been fine. Car 2 wasn’t even in his way 🤦🏼‍♀️

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Redebs · 30/11/2022 14:50

I'm convinced that some people go out of their way to get nasty with other drivers, instead of appreciating that the rules are there to keep us all safe and keep traffic moving.
If car 3 wasn't at the roundabout yet, he (guessing) had no reason to get arsey about car 2 pulling out.

Too often drivers speed up just to intimidate other drivers. It's immature and dangerous. I see it all the time and it's infuriating to be honest.
Roundabouts are places to slow down, be courteous, be ready to move off, anticipate other drivers and even keep calm if someone makes a small error.
They are not arenas where you prove yourself by accelerating into others and making a big noise.

Redebs · 30/11/2022 14:52

Sounds like car 2 had time enough to put a foot on the gas, zip around the roundabout and then have a go at car 3 😁

SheWoreYellow · 30/11/2022 14:53

I think 3 was feeling that he was on the main road and forgot there was a roundabout. He’s totally in the wrong.

mam0918 · 30/11/2022 14:57

2 1 3... 3 isn't at the round about and by the time he is he has to stop and give way.

Speed doesnt matter because moving or not he can't just fly through he has to slow to check he has right of way (which he wouldnt as 2 then 1 can enter the roundabout before he approaches).

theemmadilemma · 30/11/2022 14:57

2, 1, 3.

But we have a mini roundabout like that near us, a busy one, and it's fuck all use because of it's size and the amount of cars going through it. You have to keep an eye on all 3 entrances really.

But 3 was being a dick if 2 was at the line first.

Jagoda · 30/11/2022 15:00

2, 1, 3

Waytoofar · 30/11/2022 15:00

I’m glad most people agree with me 2,1 then 3. It honestly had me wondering if I was taught right 🤣 there are 2 nurseries and a school near by and this is a daily occurrence.

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DogInATent · 30/11/2022 15:05

As drawn, 2,1,3.

But I suspect 3 may have been a lot closer to the roundabout than you have drawn as 2 should have been well clear of 3's path

Itsabitnotcold · 30/11/2022 15:11

It's one of those scenarios where no one really has right of way. 3 was probably closer than 2 determined because they clearly had to stop. They could have been speeding though.

Waytoofar · 30/11/2022 15:13

Remembering that 2 had to turn and 3 was going straight but 2 was out if 3s way. 3 just had a tantrum

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girlmom21 · 30/11/2022 15:14

Waytoofar · 30/11/2022 15:00

I’m glad most people agree with me 2,1 then 3. It honestly had me wondering if I was taught right 🤣 there are 2 nurseries and a school near by and this is a daily occurrence.

Is it a daily occurrence when you're coming from the same direction on the same roundabout?

TheOrigRights · 30/11/2022 15:15

Could 2 see that 3 was approaching? I reckon 3 thought they had clear passage so didn't slow down much.
I think if I was 2 I would give way to 3.

Waytoofar · 30/11/2022 15:17

girlmom21 · 30/11/2022 15:14

Is it a daily occurrence when you're coming from the same direction on the same roundabout?

Nope. It’s a daily occurrence in the sense that most people coming from 3s direction think they have priority regardless of other users.

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Waytoofar · 30/11/2022 15:18

TheOrigRights · 30/11/2022 15:15

Could 2 see that 3 was approaching? I reckon 3 thought they had clear passage so didn't slow down much.
I think if I was 2 I would give way to 3.

I’m not sure. Visibility is usually fine but imo if I was 2 I would have probably taken it too

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