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Only Person Not Promoted

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ZekeZeke · 29/11/2022 20:00

I've been working in the same organisation for 8 years, manager level.Part time but always work extra time. Have email on my phone, attend meetings outside normal hours.

So today a company meeting was held. 80% of the staff are new (employed this past year).The remaining 20% -spread across different departments, were all promoted today (or have been in the past year). All except me (and 2 other people).

The CEO announced that if you were going to be promoted you would already know

I haven’t had my review yet. I'm due to have my appraisal this week.I'm very happy for everyone promoted but I'm absolutely gutted. I feel slighted. Invisible.

I feel like I've no profile.I work hard, very hard. And to be overlooked like this has really knocked me for six.I'm too emotional at the moment. I cried all the way home and haven't stopped.I know it's pathetic to be crying but honesty I'm heartbroken I've not been recognised.

My Senior Manager is very factual and doesn't like emotions. So when i meet with them this week I need to be strong, decisive and basically what?

how do I approach this?

Every single review I've had has been exceeding expectations lWhat do I ask?

  1. What is the criteria for promotion and how to I achieve this
  1. Do I ask why wasn't I promoted?
  1. What do I ask?
OP posts:
MichelleScarn · 29/11/2022 20:02

I hate asking but are the people promoted all full time?

Brefugee · 29/11/2022 20:05

Ask them why you didn't get promoted, with the appraisals you've had that should have at least been a consideration.
Ask if it is because you're part-time
Ask what you have to do to get a promotion within the next 12 months - are they prepared to mentor you?

And if it's all negative? work to your contract?

Thirder · 29/11/2022 20:06

You questions are perfect. I have same sort of no emotional boss.
Be curious. I'm curious how promotions are decided. What criteria am I lacking in? Do all promoted employees pass on the same criteria?
Ask questions. This may either unearth a genuine requirement you fail to meet or raise the oversight at that higher level.

Brefugee · 29/11/2022 20:06

and if the others not promoted with you, were part -time, are they all women? ask them how they think that looks and what it tells them about the organisation

Regularsizedrudy · 29/11/2022 20:08

What’s the point of being part time if you’re going to work extra hours? Might as well be full time and get paid for it. What is the process for getting promoted? I’m assuming these other people sought out promotions?

Ontobetterthings · 29/11/2022 20:08

Are they all men promoted?

Brefugee · 29/11/2022 20:12

What’s the point of being part time if you’re going to work extra hours? Might as well be full time and get paid for it.

i worked for the European branch of an Asian company a while ago. So Asian attitudes (all the managers males very few were European) women all in lower or admin positions. One woman (asian but based in Europe married to a European) came back after ML on 20 hours. And worked pretty much 45 hours every week "they expect it" she said to me". So i told her to go back to full time, and actually just do the 37.5 hours required in the contract. And bam. Nobody said anything because she was now full time. More money, and fewer hours. And after a year she got promoted.

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 29/11/2022 20:14

Stick with your open questions. Don't go fishing for some sort of bias unless the answers don't add up.

Just ask for the promotion criteria, how is it judged and where were you rated on those criteria?

Backtothegymgirl · 29/11/2022 20:15

Was anyone else promoted a part time manager?

StaceySolomonSwash · 29/11/2022 20:16

Time to work your exact hours and work your job as is. Anything out of your role "I don't know" as they've overlooked you (because you're part time but will never admit that's the reason) it's actually sex discrimination but it's incredibly difficult to make this stick.

Backtothegymgirl · 29/11/2022 20:20

StaceySolomonSwash · 29/11/2022 20:16

Time to work your exact hours and work your job as is. Anything out of your role "I don't know" as they've overlooked you (because you're part time but will never admit that's the reason) it's actually sex discrimination but it's incredibly difficult to make this stick.

No it’s not, it’s time to understand . She didn’t say she works more than her hours, she said 80 percent of staff were new. 3 folks were not promoted. She’s not clarified who. She’s given pretty much no relevant info.

Backtothegymgirl · 29/11/2022 20:21

StaceySolomonSwash · 29/11/2022 20:16

Time to work your exact hours and work your job as is. Anything out of your role "I don't know" as they've overlooked you (because you're part time but will never admit that's the reason) it's actually sex discrimination but it's incredibly difficult to make this stick.

Where has she said the genders?

ZekeZeke · 29/11/2022 20:22

Mix of men and women were promoted so no discrimination there.
Part time and full timers promoted so again no discrimination.
I've had rave reviews, I've exceeded expectations.
I'm gutted that I've basically been overlooked.
Perhaps I lack certain qualities, I will ask what the promotion criteria is. Because I'm at a loss.

If I'm lacking in certain areas I want to know where I need to work on.

OP posts:
011899988I9991197253 · 29/11/2022 20:23

So the company has grown four times over in the past year, and just under 20% have been promoted?

It doesn’t sound like that’s very sustainable. Maybe take this as a sign?

Survey99 · 29/11/2022 20:26

If I'm lacking in certain areas I want to know where I need to work on.

And get them written down in your objectives as clear and measurable targets that you agree on, so if the same happens again you have them in black and white.

LaurieFairyCake · 29/11/2022 20:32

Or it could be a mistake by the person who announced "if you've been promoted you'll already know about it" Confused

As you've literally got your appraisal imminently it could EASILY be a mistake since you've exceeded expectations

ZekeZeke · 29/11/2022 20:43

LaurieFairyCake · 29/11/2022 20:32

Or it could be a mistake by the person who announced "if you've been promoted you'll already know about it" Confused

As you've literally got your appraisal imminently it could EASILY be a mistake since you've exceeded expectations

No, I'm definitely not being promoted.

I will calm down and have an unemotional conversation at my review and establish the pathway for promotion.

Thank you all very much for your input.

OP posts:
HouseInChaos · 29/11/2022 21:00

How does "promotion" work in your company out of interest? In many companies the position you are in has a band associated to it, and it is very unusual to change band without also changing role, which is usually moving up the management ladder. The roles which tend to be different are usually the most junior roles, so maybe you join the company as a Junior Marketing Assistant, and after a year or so get the Junior removed from your title and move up a band and get given a bit more responsibility. What would promotion look like in your role?

XmasElf10 · 29/11/2022 21:02

Personally I’d be looking for a new job if I genuinely thought the decision unfair.

Watchthesunrise · 29/11/2022 21:14

Here's some of the reasons why I promote some staff and not others:

(1) cheerful willingness to take on new or different responsibilities
(2) asking for clarification when unsure; taking ownership of learning new skills
(3) upskilling (e.g. new qualifications)
(4) taking on leadership responsibilities (e.g. leading a project)
(5) external representation (e.g. presentations on behalf of my team)

Here's some of the reasons why I don't promote:

(1) not "showing up" (for example, never speaking their opinion at meetings or never venturing new ideas)
(2) being overly rule-based (for example, my contract says my role is xyz so I will only ever do xyz)
(3) not showing interest in growth or leadership
(4) not networking or developing external representation skills
(5) using the same set of skills they had 5 years ago.

TIME in a role does not equal promotability.

Wallywobbles · 29/11/2022 21:17

Thank you watch the sunrise. I hope my boss uses the same criteria.

Watchthesunrise · 29/11/2022 21:18

Personally I’d be looking for a new job if I genuinely thought the decision unfair

I think the OP has displayed the right attitude. If I was her boss I'd be impressed that she asked how she could be promoted next time around. I would not be impressed if she complained or whined or threatened to quit.

Testina · 29/11/2022 21:22

“All except me (and 2 other people)”

So, you weren’t the only person not promoted then?

How many are we talking about? 30, and you’re 1 of 3 not promoted - off. 3/10 - maybe you’re great but not quite there yet.

ZekeZeke · 29/11/2022 21:25

Watchthesunrise · 29/11/2022 21:14

Here's some of the reasons why I promote some staff and not others:

(1) cheerful willingness to take on new or different responsibilities
(2) asking for clarification when unsure; taking ownership of learning new skills
(3) upskilling (e.g. new qualifications)
(4) taking on leadership responsibilities (e.g. leading a project)
(5) external representation (e.g. presentations on behalf of my team)

Here's some of the reasons why I don't promote:

(1) not "showing up" (for example, never speaking their opinion at meetings or never venturing new ideas)
(2) being overly rule-based (for example, my contract says my role is xyz so I will only ever do xyz)
(3) not showing interest in growth or leadership
(4) not networking or developing external representation skills
(5) using the same set of skills they had 5 years ago.

TIME in a role does not equal promotability.

Thank you for that.
I've taken on a lot of additional work (we had an increase in customers, so more work).
I implemented a new system, did all the testing along with my existing role.
I trained new emoyees.
I've attended external and internal training.
I stay behind for a weekly meeting outside my hours.

I've looked at last year's review, I exceeded expectations and I also asked for Career progression but said as I'm thr only person doing my role I'm not sure how I can be promoted.

OP posts:
MammaWeasel · 29/11/2022 21:34

Might you be getting a paýrise without a promoted title?

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