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To still be upset about this.

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SpicedPumpkinSoup · 28/11/2022 18:47

This happened years ago and it’s all water under the bridge now, but i had forgotten about it and it popped into my head last week. I hadn’t realised how much it had affected me and I still feel quite upset about it all.

as a child, I was terrified of water. I used to hide because I was so scared to go in the bath/shower and I couldn’t swim. I was taken to lessons but I wouldn’t go in the pool. My phobia was because I was scared of drowning.

my mom was the opposite, she loved the water. She loved swimming, diving, going on slides, jumping, handstands under water, etc. She never understood why I was so frightened and used to shout at me for not going in the bath or call me a baby for not going in the swimming pool.

I was brought up by my parents but also by extended family. My extended family spent a lot of time with me building my confidence around water slowly and they got me to the stage where I could go in baths, showers, go in the swimming pool and actually swim. I never liked it but they got me to the point where I could just about manage to swim which was a massive step.

One day when I was around 10, my mom took me to the pool with her and her friends. I was minding my own business and swimming about in the shallow end (I wasn’t doing anything to embarrass or upset her) and her friend (who I trusted) said she would give me a backride. I didn’t really want to because i still didn’t like the water but I knew my mom would be angry at me so I agreed. She went up to the deep end but I wasn’t scared because I trusted her. All of a sudden I saw my mom signal to her and she lent back and let go of me and dropped me straight into the water. I panicked but tried to remember my swimming and was struggling to stay afloat, then I felt a hand on my head push me down and hold me under. I’ve had some scary moments in my life but nothing will ever top that. I was struggling and fighting to get up but I was being held down. It probably wasn’t that long but it felt like forever and I honestly thought I was going to die. Eventually I managed to get up and was hysterical and saw my moms friend looking upset and shocked at my reaction and my mom laughing and shouting at me to grow up and stop being a baby. Needless to say I burst into tears and screamed the entire place down (and my moms friend realised I was still struggling to stay afloat so she pulled me out of the deep end) my mom was furious at me- she said she did it as a joke and I was a crybaby and an embarrassment and that she wished I wasn’t her daughter. Her friend was really upset- my mom told her to do it but she thought I would take it as a joke, she didn’t realise how frightened of the water I was.

I’m honestly not sure how it happened with the lifeguard etc- I think they suddenly saw what was going on and shouted over and that’s when my moms friend let me back up. I just remember the lifeguard giving my mom into trouble and telling us to leave because I was completely hysterical after it. My mom was so angry at me on the way home and called me an embarrassment, cry baby and said she hated me and just the usual sort of thing. She was absolutely furious and said I ruined everything and she wished she had my aborted.

After that, everything I had learned and built up with my extended family was gone- I was terrified of all water again and we had to start from square 1. I couldn’t even go in the shower. We got there eventually again and now as an adult I can swim but I’ll never be comfortable in water.

like I said, it was years ago and no point dwelling on it now, but I still feel so hurt and upset that my mom would do that to me. I’m probably being silly still feeling upset about it all these years later but I felt so frightened and the idea that my mom was behind it really upsets me. I’ll never forget her laughing face when I was screaming and trying to stay afloat. I know my mom tried to be a good mom to me and usually was, but I feel so angry at her for doing that to me. I don’t know what I did wrong to her- I wasn’t embarrassing her or being annoying, but I feel so upset about it even after all these years

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Franklyfrost · 28/11/2022 19:40

It doesn’t seem so bad to you op because she’s your mum and you only get one mum so whatever mum you end up with is normal to you. From an outsider perspective your mother did and said awful things to you and as you move closer to the age your mum was you will be able to see that she didn’t have to behave that way.

GardenNice · 28/11/2022 19:43

If your mother is still alive maybe you could do something similar to her when she's having a bath?

marriednotdead · 28/11/2022 19:44

I was held under by someone 'for fun' when I was about 12 or 13. I am still wary, can't bear the feeling of water in my ears and consequently can only swim a width decades later.

It's hard to imagine how you have managed to suppress the anger and betrayal from such a cruel act.

Always4Brenner · 28/11/2022 19:46

Hugs I’m appalled at this what your cow of a mother did these families with their toxic people are dreadful.

Newestname002 · 28/11/2022 19:46

OP The person who died d this to you, the person she was supposed to love, nurture and protect, does not deserve to be called any type of mother. I really wish she'd received some legal censure for that plus the other ways she was a nasty "parent".

I admire your mental strength to be able to conquer your fears yet again get back in the water. Good luck for the future and don't hesitate to get some counselling for yourself to work through your trauma. 🌹

Sprouttreesareamazing · 28/11/2022 19:49

I hope you don't give her the time of day now op.

BellePeppa · 28/11/2022 19:55

Sorry to say this but your mother is (was?) a vile c*nt. That was a disgusting thing to do and an absolutely unforgivable reaction by her. She sounds like a raging narcissist.

anyonenowheremypenis · 28/11/2022 19:58

Shocking- all of it, what she did and what she said. I read so much on here about selfish and cruel parents. How people are now having to care 24/7 for parents who were never kind enough, but who are old and vulnerable now.
Is it generational? Was life harder and harsher 50 years ago, making parents cruel and unkind. Were their parents from 100 years ago even harsher and crueller? Is it easier for us to be more loving because life is ‘easier’?
What will our kids says about us?

7yo7yo · 28/11/2022 20:00

Your egg donor was an evil abusive bitch. YANBU.
what upsets me is how you describe her abuse as “the usual”. It’s not usual. It’s abuse. And I hope your NC.

EthelMcUnready · 28/11/2022 20:02

cookiesbeforepookies · 28/11/2022 19:02

Talking on MN has helped thousands of women. Better to speak here than not at all.

This.

Autumninnewyork · 28/11/2022 20:06

Your mother was sick, OP. Massively, massively twisted and fucked up and full of rage about something that had nothing to do with you. Honestly she must have been abused herself in some way to behave like that. It’s monstrous

Bluetrews25 · 28/11/2022 20:25

How utterly brave of you SpicedPumpkinSoup to share that with us.
That was inexcusable behaviour of hers, all of it.
I hope you can start to leave the hurt behind.
She deserves none of your mental energy.

Sending love to that scared little girl within.

SpicedPumpkinSoup · 29/11/2022 13:13

I actually feel reassured that I’m not being silly by still being upset about it all these years later.

Also, thanks to everyone who said I was brave to get back in the water after that. I really didn’t want to but my other family were incredible and worked with me to build up my confidence again. I’ve got a lot to thank them for x

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Purplechicken207 · 29/11/2022 13:21

I probably wouldn't even treat my worst enemy like that. Let alone one of my children. I mean seriously. I have lots of small horrid childhood stories and a lot of being spoken to in the same way, but nothing so extreme or terrible. Oh OP, you are absolutely valid in feeling so upset still.
I've had quite a bit of therapy and picked out the mean mum bits from my childhood, therapist always said I was absolutely right to be upset, and to want to nurture the child I was. My heart breaks for child me. If one of my own children felt like that...wow I don't know what I'd do. Situation is v different with our relationship now but because I know how she can get, and I have my children to think of, in all honesty it wouldn't take an awful lot for me to go NC with my mum. Lots of people say you should always stand by family, but your mum did not stand by you, and has no right to expect you to want anything to do with her now if you don't want to

KettrickenSmiled · 29/11/2022 13:28

I’m probably being silly still feeling upset about it all these years later
You are not being silly at all.
I don't know you, or your mother, but even I can hear your mother's voice behind that thought.
It is exactly the same denigrating attack she used on you when you were a child.
That your feelings are Bad & Wrong - so therefore you are Bad & Wrong.

but I felt so frightened and the idea that my mom was behind it really upsets me.
OP, if this was done to me as an adult I would be really upset.
Most of us would be.
You don't need to justify your feelings, they are entirely reasonable.
What is NOT reasonable is you feeling like you have to, because not only did you not get heard as a child, but your mother actively pursued the line that unless you felt & reacted as she ordered, she would verbally abuse you.

I’ll never forget her laughing face when I was screaming and trying to stay afloat.
I wish she'd been arrested for that stunt.

I know my mom tried to be a good mom to me
Hmm She didn't try very hard though did she?

and usually was, but I feel so angry at her for doing that to me. I don’t know what I did wrong to her- I wasn’t embarrassing her or being annoying, but I feel so upset about it even after all these years
Listen OP - you are never going to understand it, because you are not cruel & warped.
That is an AMAZING feat, from a child whose mother treated her so badly, you should be hugely proud of yourself.

Also - even if you were embarrassing or annoying (not saying you had been during the pool incident AT ALL - but all parents get irritated by DC sometimes) THERE WAS NO REASON to pull that appalling trick on you.

LovingTheAbbreviations · 29/11/2022 13:34

Oh my god! I have a son and I would absolutely never do that to him! I would never hold ANYONE down under the water like that even if they loved water, it's not a fun thing to do at all. You mum even got her friend to do it so she could watch and scream at you, then it was all about her feelings of embarrassment about your reaction afterwards, I'm sorry to say this but this is terrifying behaviour from a parent who is supposed to love and protect you. You are not being silly at all to have these feelings. She should never have done this, and she should never have told you she should have aborted you either, that is utterly vile. Would you ever do that to your kids? Nope! I do hope you can get some therapy for this as it sounds like your mother was very cruel to you xxxxxx

Eyesopenwideawake · 29/11/2022 13:37

no point dwelling on it now, but I still feel so hurt

But your subconscious still remembers it and will keep going over it, not to hurt or upset you but to try to make some sense of the cruel and nasty actions of the very people who are supposed to protect you. Sadly there's no acceptable reason for what your mother and her friend did, none. Please consider some sort of therapy to help your mind to process it. (I would recommend remedial hypnosis, because that's what I do and I know it would help you).

SleeplessInEngland · 29/11/2022 13:37

My mom was so angry at me on the way home and called me an embarrassment, cry baby and said she hated me and just the usual sort of thing. She was absolutely furious and said I ruined everything and she wished she had my aborted.

This is really fucked up. You know that, right? I feel like you're burying the lede mentioning this in passing.

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