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I'm a tenant, landlords company broke my hoover

63 replies

ditherwood · 28/11/2022 09:34

Sorry, this is long, I'm waffling as really upset by this. My landlord had all my windows replaced in my flat last week. Obviously I had no control over this process and just had to prepare as best I could. It was a three day job, I worked from home the first two days as I don't like having men/people in my flat without me there, they could have completed the work in two days as they worked roughly a half day each day. On the third day I had no choice other than go into my office as I had in person meetings I couldn't get out of. On the third day the contractor arrived alone, previously he had had two other men working with him and two vans. He explained he had put the other two on another job for a man who gives him a lot of work and who he needed to "keep sweet". He had previously told me this last third day was saving "the worst job for last" replacing the kitchen window at first floor level.

The previous two days the other two men had put dust overs over everything and it was still quite dirty afterwards but I accepted here would be some dirt in addition to the significant disruption. They had a Henry hoover they used to clear up afterwards.

As I had gone to work he literally didn't cover a single surface, I have three sets of freestanding shelves as the kitchen has no cupboards space along with wall mounted shelving and a dresser, EVERYTHING for my kitchen is on these shelves, from plates to packets of pasta. EVERYTHING was covered in 100 years worth of dust and dirt from the windows.

When I got home on Wednesday I could see the contractor had used my brand new hoover as it was out in the hallway and full to the brim. I had closed off the living room and bedroom and had stored as much of my kitchen stuff as I could move in my living room. I hid the vacuum in the closed living room as it's a brand new Dyson V10 £329 that was a gift, less than two weeks old. He had gone in to the closed living room and searched for the vacuum, found it and used it on the rubble from the window and broken it. It is full of plaster and rubbish that has gone up into the mechanisms and completely buggered it.

I immediately tried to call him, it went to voicemail, I tried to empty the hoover but could see it was broken, I emailed the estate agent and told them it was broken. The landlord had insisted he visit early the next day to see the windows before he paid the final invoice. I showed him the hoover and cried I was so upset about it, he was quite sympathetic and said he'd sort it. I now haven't heard since Thursday and have spent literally all weekend cleaning my kitchen, removing every item from the shelves and cleaning everything.

I've felt really badly about this, I was really good to the window company, one of them actually thanked me for making them so much tea as he said it doesn't often happen. I even bought them doughnuts on the last day as a thank you, as I am grateful for having new windows even if I didn't ask for them, my flat has been freezing and noisy with original 1906 windows.

It's really affected my mental health. I feel really really upset over having a new hoover and he used it without permission and broke it. I literally never have any nice or new stuff, my boyfriend bought it for me as he knew I struggled with my old hoover, the flat is really hard to keep clean. I'd wanted a hoover like this for years, to have this bloke go into my private space and take it and use it and break it has really profoundly upset me and to have no resolution from my landlord yet feels like they are going to try to duck out of it and I'm the one who loses out and have done nothing to deserve it.

I emailed a formal complaint to the agent, she just called me and said it's completely out of her hands as the landlord used their own contractor.

AIBU to expect my brand new hoover to be replaced?

OP posts:
Cluelessdiyer · 28/11/2022 09:37

Yes - the landlord should pay to replace it. And the managing agent should not excuse themselves from the situation.

tale a lot of photos and lodge a formal
complaoknt with the managing agent.

Managinggenzoclock · 28/11/2022 09:37

It’s not the landlords fault but they should support you to get the money from the contractor. Threaten wi to small claims court if needed.

Merryoldgoat · 28/11/2022 09:39

You call your landlord and say ‘I need a replacement hoover this week. Will you be transferring the money or shall I deduct it from next month’s rent? It’s this model and costs £329. Thanks’

You need to be assertive and firm.

Merryoldgoat · 28/11/2022 09:40

And absolutely take him to the Small Claims Court.

Write a very clear account and timeline of the events as well which will keep everything straight in your head.

erinaceus · 28/11/2022 09:41

I get that this is distressing, but has your landlord given you any indication that he does not plan to get your hoover replaced?

From the outside, Thursday to Monday isn't that long, although it might feel like it. I would try to get in touch with the landlord today and see if he can give you a timeline on getting a new hoover. If the important thing to you is to speed things up in terms of getting a new hoover, you could agree to order one yourself and adjust the next rent payment accordingly (if you were to go this route I would get the agreement in writing e.g. by email.)

The other thing I think it would be reasonable to ask the landlord for is a deep clean, but you might not want strangers in your home and it sounds as if you did quite a bit of the cleaning yourself already.

Hereward1332 · 28/11/2022 09:42

It’s not the landlords fault but they should support you to get the money from the contractor. Threaten wi to small claims court if needed.

Not correct. OP has no contractual relationship with the contractor. She claims against the landlord, who can then claim against the contractor, his agent.

AllIwantforChristmas22 · 28/11/2022 09:43

I am sorry this has happened, very rude and I hope you get a replacement soon. It sounds like the landlord is on it. But you do sound overly distressed over a hoover even if it was new - everything else ok?

steppemum · 28/11/2022 09:43

Managinggenzoclock · 28/11/2022 09:37

It’s not the landlords fault but they should support you to get the money from the contractor. Threaten wi to small claims court if needed.

I am not legal but I disagree with this.
the landlord needs ot replace it as they are responsible for having the contractors in. Then the landlord can sort it with the contractors.

landlord could claim it on their landlord's insurance I think.

Chattycathydoll · 28/11/2022 09:50

AllIwantforChristmas22 · 28/11/2022 09:43

I am sorry this has happened, very rude and I hope you get a replacement soon. It sounds like the landlord is on it. But you do sound overly distressed over a hoover even if it was new - everything else ok?

It doesn’t sound overly distressed to me. I hate renting, having no control over my environment, the instability of it, the invasiveness of inspections and people being allowed to go in and out of your home as if it’s not yours, because it isn’t. To have someone do that, then go into what’s supposed to be a private space, that they have no need to enter- to take your own belongings, and break them with no tangible consequence- it makes you feel upset, as if you don’t really own anything, and vulnerable. I’d feel just as OP does.

AllIwantforChristmas22 · 28/11/2022 10:03

@Chattycathydoll her landlord was sympathetic and said he will sort it. That was 4 days ago with a weekend in between. He probably called him Friday and waiting for a reply.

yes it’s awful and annoying but to be “really really upset” and “really affected my mental health” over a hoover seems OTT. The hoover probably still has a warranty and OP could exchange it tomorrow!

AllIwantforChristmas22 · 28/11/2022 10:04

Hoover is less than 2 weeks old so can definitely still be exchanged! 🤦🏻‍♀️What a drama.

Merryoldgoat · 28/11/2022 10:06

There’s no way you can return a domestic vacuum that’s been broken because it was used to suck up builders’ rubble.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 28/11/2022 10:08

AllIwantforChristmas22 · 28/11/2022 10:03

@Chattycathydoll her landlord was sympathetic and said he will sort it. That was 4 days ago with a weekend in between. He probably called him Friday and waiting for a reply.

yes it’s awful and annoying but to be “really really upset” and “really affected my mental health” over a hoover seems OTT. The hoover probably still has a warranty and OP could exchange it tomorrow!

A warranty won’t cover a hoover being broken through misuse. Using a domestic hoover on building rubble will invalidate the warranty.

caringcarer · 28/11/2022 10:11

I'd ring LL today and ask what they are doing about your vacuum. Ask if he can deduct the amount from bill for windows. Ask if you can go ahead and replace and deduct from next month's rent. That would be reasonable. Let LL take your vacuum he can probably get it fixed.

SirDavidAttenborough · 28/11/2022 10:12

AllIwantforChristmas22 · 28/11/2022 10:04

Hoover is less than 2 weeks old so can definitely still be exchanged! 🤦🏻‍♀️What a drama.

Exchanged by who?

jtaeapa · 28/11/2022 10:16

What a scummy contractor. Difficult though - I'm not sure the landlord is responsible - he didn't do this. The contractor is clearly not going to hand over any money for anything.

thebabessavedme · 28/11/2022 10:17

@AllIwantforChristmas22 I think the OP has every right to feel how she does, workmen know the type of tools they need and should bring their own, not nose about and use what is clearly a domestic cleaner for rubble and such, I would imagine that the warrenty will not cover this type of use.

I was seriously pissed off when a guy servicing our boiler filled my bucket up with some sort of sludge and then used one of my tea towels to clean up water that he dripped behind the pipes, not a big deal but surely a plumber/heating engineer would realise that they might need a bucket and cloth (and then expect me to pay him 80 quid and have to clean up old sludge that he left me with and chuck my tea towel away)

Clymene · 28/11/2022 10:18

AllIwantforChristmas22 · 28/11/2022 10:04

Hoover is less than 2 weeks old so can definitely still be exchanged! 🤦🏻‍♀️What a drama.

That's not how exchanges work.

If you bought a silk dress and wore it to roll down a muddy hill, would you expect to return it and get a new one? Of course not.

This is the same thing.

MyAutocorrectWishesMeDeaj · 28/11/2022 10:24

Really annoying, but try and think straight. This will get sorted. I'm not sure LL liable though, but you should expect their support.

-Photograph everything.
-Get receipt for hoover.
-Contact LL via email with statement of facts: clear order of what happened/to what/when. Don't exaggerate. You don't need to.
-Get full contact in formation for who they used.
-Email contractor, CC-ing LL. State they did not bring correct equipment and used inappropriate hoover without permission.
-Say you expect full and prompt payment/replacement or you will file small claims case and add on court fees/time taken off work.

If that doesn't work, follow through with court. It's very straightforward, there's no chance you will lose assuming you have evidence in form of photos etc.

But you may not get the resolution as fast as you want, which is annoying, but that's just life.

It is just a hoover. I think you're getting emotional because they were so disrespectful to your home, but try and stay calm when approaching this or you won't seem as serious.

Good luck.

Calmdown14 · 28/11/2022 11:05

In what way is the hoover broken? You said it is visible so has something cracked?
I would photograph it from every conceivable angle and then empty and clean it. No you shouldn't have to but sometimes it's just worth sorting something than stressing over it.

What you have to establish is are you talking a replacement part or is the whole thing knackered? They contractor is likely to argue the part as to them it will seem like someone trying it on for a brand new expensive hoover.

Rubble is a nightmare for the filters but a good clean does usually sort it.
And while it might not be morally right, I would be tempted to clean it up and exchange it . I've done all sorts of messy jobs with a 10 year old cheap hoover and after a clean it is as good as new. It's only a window so we can't be talking huge bits of masonry. It should be able to cope.

You have a right to be pissed off but there's a point at which it's easier to draw a line and be proactive

ditherwood · 28/11/2022 12:22

Thanks all for your kind messages. I've read them all. You're probably quite right, I am overreacting but as another poster said, when you are renting you feel a total lack of agency and completely unimportant. Having men in your home who you didn't employ and don't know, then they take your stuff and destroy it and you have literally NO knowledge that it will be replaced. The agent has said as they didn't recommend or specify the contractor, I have no redress with them. I can't contact the landlord directly as have to go through the agent. The landlord doesn't want to pay to replace and obviously the contractor will lie and say he didn't break it. I'm in no mans land with no protection. And yes it does get you down, and yes, in response to another posters comment, yes I have a lot of other stuff going on and low level anxiety so this has totally tipped me over the edge combined with having to spend all weekend of my limited free time washing dirt off everything in a kitchen I don't own and have no control over who comes in and does what/when.

Thanks everyone though, much appreciate your taking the time to write xx

OP posts:
DDivaStar · 28/11/2022 12:33

No the guy shouldn't have entered your lounge, used your hoover or broken it.

Your ll sounds reasonable, this is just not at the top of his to do list.

I would email back saying the ll had said he would sort it and could they chase it up or provide contact details for you to ask him.

silverclock222 · 28/11/2022 12:39

Claim it through your insurance and they can reclaim from the glaziers surely?

Blossomtoes · 28/11/2022 12:45

silverclock222 · 28/11/2022 12:39

Claim it through your insurance and they can reclaim from the glaziers surely?

How much would she get after the excess? She needs to be reimbursed the full amount.

Changedma · 28/11/2022 13:17

The landlord doesn't want to pay to replace and obviously the contractor will lie and say he didn't break it. I'm in no mans land with no protection.

It sounded like landlord is sympathetic and on the case though. Presumably you provided photos of it full with rubble. Also doesn’t sound like landlord has paid final instalment to contractor yet so your chance of getting the money is strong as the LL will be sending them the list of deductions from final bill.

It’s reasonable for you to do a bit of cleaning but sounds like they left you to do it all which is also unreasonable and hopefully the LL also witnessed on their inspection.