I got into a twiter fight with the transgender/femism issue

[Alondra]

I'm usually a conservative poster on twitter. It's rare for me to be confrontational but tonight it all ended in a huge fight with about a dozen of posters. It began with a post from a well known person I follow and like making a twit about trans women and their rights. I answered her post saying I respect trans issues but I don't like the militant political turn the whole issue is taking against biological women. Well.....I've had to shut down twitter because I can't keep up.

Honestly, until now, I never understood why so many people in Mumsnet had a problem with trans issues. Hell, I had a crash course tonight.

I kept saying I don't have a problem with trans but as a feminist I don't agree with being called "a birthing parent" or a "them" and people kept getting at me asking how that impact me personally. I kept saying I'm not a "them" or a "birthing parent", that I'm a woman and I won't support being "deleted" as a woman and female but kept being labeled as homophobic and anti trans.

I posted articles showing how the militant trans movement is influencing laws and politicians. Also, that the gay movement has a serious issue with trans that the majority prefers to ignore.

Anyway, I'm probably venting. I'm still shocked so many people are unable to understand biology from gender choice. Unbelievable.

Oh, they understand. They just don't want it said out loud as it proves that the rest of us know "the emperor is wearing no clothes." For some, it's about virtue signalling but for others, it's so bound up in their identity that anything negative is reflexively seen as an attack on them.

Add in a nice dollop of mysiogyny and that way Twitter feeds off negative sentiment and you can see how it blows up.

I am sorry you had a rough time of it.

It's not fun is it.
Lock your account down for a while and block liberally

YANBU, twitter is just a cesspit of impotent rage.

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Good for you for speaking up. We need to push back on this authoritarian harmful ideology.

It wasn't fun, it was really unpleasant. I won't block my account, not a chance. But I've been blocked from a few of them when I tried answering to their twits.. I never insulted or took twits for granted. I answered as fast as I could to the barrage coming to me. I know twitter and tomorrow there'll be dozens of twits which I won't read because they come from the same people, and there is no point repeating 100 times the same things.

I'm just shocked women are game defending a movement (NOT trans people) in direct confrontation with feminism.

Twitters full of them!

The 'how does it affect you directly?!' stance doesn't even make sense. How does factual language affect them directly? (apart from hurty feelings - which are surely irrelevant, like women's feelings 🤷🏻‍♀️) Why is language so integral to their cause, yet women who protest are made to feel ridiculous for caring about words and their meanings?

Pah, take no notice - I'd wear a TERF badge with pride, rather be a TERF than align myself with the emperor's lobotomised admirers 🙄

If you object to female language being erased then I surprised this is the first time you have encountered the aggressive authoritarianism of TRA's. It's been going on for years but the MSM don't report on it and it's global.

There is a "let women speak" event at speakers corner today and the TRA's are already there with their drums to drown out women's voices. There has also already been an arrest but I don't know what for.

Don't be too upset about a Twitter argument. The name calling is intended to shame you into silence as are the accusations of hate, bigotry and characterising women's concerns as "debating trans people right to exist". It's all bullshit.

Embrace the TERFery and forget about appeasing those who choose to use aggression and violence to obtain total capitulation. I know I'm not hateful and I very much doubt you are so don't waste energy defending yourself against such nonsense.

It can be quite shocking your first time. They don't realise how much it's puts those in the middle off their cause, they're too busy shouting at anyone who has a single question or objection.

You're not alone op, it's happened to most of us, and will continue to happen until this whole shitshow is sorted out.

It’s happened to me too. I backed up a cancer survivor who’d had a hysterectomy who was upset at an article referring to women as “uterus owners” because she felt if she couldn’t be a woman nor a uterus owner, she had no identity. It ended with TRA’s going through my profile and insulting pictures of my appearance.

Wait, they actually said they want to erase us? Like, they said the words??

I hate doing this, but I have no problem with trans either. Some of my friends are trans! But they're reasonable. My friends say they have no issue with us using the terms mother and woman and she and her, but just want the option to be available to those uncomfortable with the terms mother, woman, etc.

I hope there are more like that in the real world than on Twitter!!

The typos changing ‘tweets’ to ‘twits’ made me smile. So apt.

English is not my first language and I often make stupid mistakes. You made smile too by pointing my typo mistakes.

I saw a post on Facebook about something Helena Bonham Carter had said about JK Rowling and the amount of abuse posted was vile. It was directed at women who dared say that there is a difference between a trans women and an actual women. The most hateful vile came from a woman who wasn't even trans herself to another woman who dared to say that trans women should not he held up as experts in womanhood when they haven't lived through the experiences that women born female have. It was honestly so extreme to the point where she kept saying daft things like well not all women have periods does that make them less of a woman so why is a trans woman less so and the like. She was deliberately being obtuse. It was rage inducing. Basically I'm not surprised with the way they reacted to your comments.