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To expect to be tested after having my drink spiked

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isaidwhatisaid · 22/11/2022 19:40

Last night I had my drink spiked. I am 100% sure that is what happened. I was in the pub. I had a couple of glasses of Rosè and started feeling like I had 10 tequilas so I went to the toilets where I uncontrollably slouched down on the cubicle floor, went limp and just resigned myself to waiting for my friends to come and find me. At that point I was sure I had been drugged as the effect was getting worse and was a very different feeling from being too drunk (which I wouldn’t have been from a couple of glasses of wine anyway).

Long story short, an ambulance came, I was taken to A&E and after waiting for a few hours was told that they wouldn’t carry out any toxicology tests because that’s up to the police to do. I reported it to the police today at the local station and they told me they don’t have the resources to do drug tests and that A&E should have done it. They have logged the crime and will review the pub’s cctv evidence but it’s unlikely that any drug will be picked up in my system now, even if I manage to get a blood and urine test tomorrow. I also spoke with a paramedic today via 111 referral who informed me that I should make a complaint about A&E and I spoke to my GP who said that I should make a complaint about the police.

Has anyone else been in this situation and know who is responsible for testing? I have been trying to find an answer all day and the closet I could find was an FOI release by the Met Police that states that they should use a Forensic Medical Examiner to carry out tests. I’ll get back onto the police tomorrow but I just feel like I’m not getting anywhere and I want to do everything I can to stop this person from doing it to anyone else.

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FantaFour · 23/11/2022 11:27

That must have been terrifying and I'm glad you weren't assaulted.

Lilgamesh2 · 23/11/2022 11:54

catmum88 · 22/11/2022 20:47

This happened to one of my colleagues and he was told by both the NHS and the police that they would only test if a crime had been committed (surely the spiking itself is a crime?), eg if he had been robbed or assaulted. The police told him to just assume he had been spiked because it is so common in London. Sorry this happened to you.

That's crazy. Poisoning people isn't a crime anymore?! My god.

I guess this is all a function of lack of resources.

isaidwhatisaid · 23/11/2022 22:45

It is. The police told me the spiking comes under GBH and they are investigating it.
They contacted me today and told me that they will be obtaining the cctv footage. They said A&E should have taken my blood sample, again, and sounded quite cross that they hadn’t.

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Gloriosity · 23/11/2022 23:52

I believe I was spiked some years ago.

I’d had some wine, so some on this thread would immediately write it off as that, but it wasn’t anything like being drunk; I was literally paralysed. Could only move my eyes, couldn’t move my limbs at all, I tried to make noise but I don’t think I did. I went in and out of consciousness for several hours.

The only thing I can liken it to now is when i had my emergency c/section and I remember seeing them lift my legs onto the table but i had no sensation or motor control over them whatsoever. Except this was my whole body.

Thanks to the naysayers, this thread doesn’t feel like a safe place to go into more detail, but the night didn’t end well for me.

It isn’t as rare as some might think.

OP i am very sorry that happened to you.

Fraaahnces · 24/11/2022 02:39

I had first drink spiked (few years ago) and they wouldn’t test as was told too many possibilities to screen for. Now I do this for a living I know that’s not true. I also know who spiked the drink and could have pressed charges. (Luckily I went behind the bar and asked for help and nothing evil happened. Colleague pissed off asap and resigned soon after as a few other women had raised this at work too. Seemed they were working up to assaulting someone, but hadn’t yet don’t it as far as we know.)

georgarina · 24/11/2022 03:54

Same happened to me. Went to A&E and they refused to do an examination or testing

itsjustnotok · 24/11/2022 04:06

@isaidwhatisaid ive googled this and there are a few trusts with specific policies relating to spiking and all state similar things. The police should take samples and. A&E are there for treatment. Some agree that testing in hospital sometimes occurs if a patient cannot be managed clinically and becomes too unwell and that testing does not always test for everything so may not highlight the drug used. The police should know full well that their job is to gather evidence which includes testing and that the hospital are there to ensure you’re well enough for home. I’m sorry that you’ve had such an awful experience x

ApiratesaysYarrr · 24/11/2022 09:17

isaidwhatisaid · 23/11/2022 22:45

It is. The police told me the spiking comes under GBH and they are investigating it.
They contacted me today and told me that they will be obtaining the cctv footage. They said A&E should have taken my blood sample, again, and sounded quite cross that they hadn’t.

I have attached some links here, and bolded relevant sections that show that what you have been advised is incorrect. As other health professionals have said, it is not the NHS's role to collect evidence for a criminal prosecution (and if we do so, it is likely to be inadmissible).

Police advice on drink spiking

"What should I do if I think my drink has been spiked?

Report it to door staff or bar staff.

Tell someone you trust, such as a friend.

If you are alone, ask the pub landlord or bar manager to call a trusted friend for you.

Your friend, or someone you trust, should take you to the nearest accident and emergency (A&E) department and tell the medical staff your drink may have been spiked.

Report it to the police as soon as you can. They may need to take blood and urine samples. Most drugs leave the body within 72 hours of being taken, but some can be gone in 12 hours so it's important to be tested as soon as possible."

Another police website about spiking
"What happens when I’m tested?

We’ll take a non-invasive urine sample. Some drugs leave the body in a very short time (within 12 hours), so it’s important to test as soon as possible. Other drugs remain in the body longer, so testing will be considered up to seven days after the incident.

The test we use is the most effective way of finding out whether you have been spiked. If you are tested in a hospital or by your GP, you will need to also have a police test, as this is what can be used as evidence to support charges or convictions.

isaidwhatisaid · 24/11/2022 11:29

@ApiratesaysYarrr
@itsjustnotok
I do believe it’s up to the police to arrange for tests to be carried out for the collection of forensic evidence. My GP explained the reasoning to me and it makes absolute sense.
The two police officers I have now spoken to, from different stations (one from my home local station and the other from the pub’s local station) both seemed to be certain that A&E should have done the testing. I don’t know if they were just fobbing me off or genuinely don’t know that it’s their remit.

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MyIgloo · 24/11/2022 11:37

Something similar happened to my sister on a night out.

Her drink was spiked and she was assaulted, no one took bloods, and the police blamed her!! Would never trust the police after the way she was treated

I am appalled at the complete lack of disregard to women, if men’s drink’s suddenly started being spiked I am pretty bloody sure someone would start blood tests

I am sorry this happened to you @isaidwhatisaid and I’m glad nothing more serious happened to you, I hope you do make a complaint

MedievalNun · 24/11/2022 11:39

Thanks for this link, I'm going to pass it on to the local police and SU. There has been a spate of spiking in a local club - my own daughter was spiked and was really poorly but the local A&E treated her like shitdirt, only took blood to test 18 hours later when pressed by the police and then 'lost' it. The same night, another young woman was spiked using a hypodermic and she too wasr efused testing until the police got involved.

I'm so sorry this happened to you OP. It does seem that unless there is an initiative in place like the one above then the police and A&E will keep passing the buck be unsure who is responsible, especially as there is very little chance of catching the people responsible.

littlemissalwaystired · 24/11/2022 11:41

When I was spiked I was told by A&E that there's too many potential substances for it to be so that's why they don't test🤷🏼‍♀️ hard to know what you're testing for I suppose.

SleepyRich · 24/11/2022 13:02

I work with Ambulance service, taken countless people to a&e ?Drunk to much ?Spiked, never ever heard of anyone being tested for what the substance was. Its just not done as a routine test by health service or police. The only time you're probably going to get a toxicology report is if it was fatal.

The practice is just to treat the presenting symptoms, support the patient whilst the drug (alcohol or otherwise) is elimanted from the body. The likely drug can be inferred from its affect and knowing the name definitevely doesn't benefit treatment in most instances.

Practically it probably wouldnt really make any difference in chance of prosecution either. You'd need to catch the person at the time with the drugs, otherwise it's always he said she said. How can you prove you didn't take the drug for fun in a court of law? Like you say they've guessed you'd been spiked with an opoid from your symptoms, how would it change anything now for you to have a lab report with proof you had opoids in your system?

Obviously the person whom spiked you should be stopped and likely had some seriously awful intentions/is a real danger. I'm not trying to minimise that. But ultimately you weren't seriously harmed so in the way the system works theres not really going to be any investigation, especially if no clear cctv of the person tampering with your drink so no realistic chance of any prosecution.

There's barely enough resources to properly investigate actual sexual assaults so this won't go far and that's why there's so much education and warnings not to leave drinks unattended/look out for friends and indeed strangers who have been spiked. These evil people will always be out there :(

GooglyEyeballs · 24/11/2022 13:21

Sorry this happened to you.

The only time you need a test is if they don't know how to treat you but it sounds like they treated you fine without a test. I get it's nice to know but it's not really worth spending the NHS money on something that's not essential.

Oblomov22 · 24/11/2022 13:33

I didn't know this. I am very sorry to hear what has happened to you OP. My ds1 has just started at Nottingham University and there was some spiking there and apparently quite a lot of chat about spiking at other universities.

I didn't actually realise that basically both A&E and the police show no interest in doing tests on anyone and I find that absolutely disgraceful.

I'm so sorry that this has happened to you, and I'm hope you recover quickly.

People underestimate the damage that something like this does to someone's personality, to their outlook on life, to their mental health, to their trust of other people. They often become a shadow of themselves, and this is very sad and made worse by the way it's actually being handled at the time, by the people that we trust, i.e. doctors and nurses, hospitals and police when it does actually happen .

MidLifeResurgence74 · 24/11/2022 13:34

Hi - spiking is just awful and it's an offence (even if no other offence is committed) so it is really important to report to the police, and it's them that test you.

I spotted this (which is recent) on Hampshire's website: https://www.hampshire.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/hampshire/campaigns/vawg/npcc-spiking-guidance---what-should-i-do-if-ive-been-spiked.pdf

And I know there's been lots of work in keeping students safe too and you'll see in this https://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/what-we-do/policy-and-research/publications/spiking-what-universities-can-do that reporting to the police and getting tested by them is paramount.

I'm really sorry OP that you had such a horrible experience.

isaidwhatisaid · 24/11/2022 13:36

SleepyRich · 24/11/2022 13:02

I work with Ambulance service, taken countless people to a&e ?Drunk to much ?Spiked, never ever heard of anyone being tested for what the substance was. Its just not done as a routine test by health service or police. The only time you're probably going to get a toxicology report is if it was fatal.

The practice is just to treat the presenting symptoms, support the patient whilst the drug (alcohol or otherwise) is elimanted from the body. The likely drug can be inferred from its affect and knowing the name definitevely doesn't benefit treatment in most instances.

Practically it probably wouldnt really make any difference in chance of prosecution either. You'd need to catch the person at the time with the drugs, otherwise it's always he said she said. How can you prove you didn't take the drug for fun in a court of law? Like you say they've guessed you'd been spiked with an opoid from your symptoms, how would it change anything now for you to have a lab report with proof you had opoids in your system?

Obviously the person whom spiked you should be stopped and likely had some seriously awful intentions/is a real danger. I'm not trying to minimise that. But ultimately you weren't seriously harmed so in the way the system works theres not really going to be any investigation, especially if no clear cctv of the person tampering with your drink so no realistic chance of any prosecution.

There's barely enough resources to properly investigate actual sexual assaults so this won't go far and that's why there's so much education and warnings not to leave drinks unattended/look out for friends and indeed strangers who have been spiked. These evil people will always be out there :(

None of the professionals I have spoken with have said that the testing itself wouldn’t make any difference to the prosecution. They have all said I should have been tested. The quibble is ‘by who?.’

I agree the scarce resources that we do have should be focused on those more serious incidents but if the system worked better for crime prevention there would be fewer victims of sexual assault. I agree with your point about education. Maybe there is more education around places where this happens more frequently e.g. student places. I was aware of drink spiking but it’s not something I thought about every time I went out, especially not something I would consider could also be done to a non-alcoholic drink. How many of us can honestly say we don’t take our eyes off our drink for a second and wouldn’t allow a colleague to order us a drink at the bar and bring it over to the table? My point is education is important but it’s so easy for it to happen to anyone. There could be more education about it in pubs and clubs but they probably don’t as they don’t want to put their punters off.

The police are investigating and are checking the cctv. Obviously if there is no evidence found of the drink being spiked then their investigation will need to stop there but thankfully they are trying to catch the scumbag.

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Oblomov22 · 24/11/2022 13:37

I find this all totally unacceptable. Surely this is a feminist issue. Yes men no doubt are spiked. But I bet more women are.

And the default is to insist that they are a liar? someone who's had loads and loads to drink, even though they haven't, and to insist that they're just a drunk, having drunk a few too many? rather than somebody who has legitimately may have been spiked.

This is an absolute outrage.

Oblomov22 · 24/11/2022 13:47

No other mn mother, absolutely outraged by this? I don't even have the dd's, I have 2 x ds's, but I'm absolutely furious.

And the more the op tells us the worse it gets : police being dismissive, fobbed off, GP telling her the police should do it. The police telling her the A&E should've done it.

The whole thing is an absolute disgrace. does the whole of Mn want their primary and secondary school children going to university and all their daughter's being spiked all the time and no one giving a shit ?

Many of the previous posters were so dismissive, I felt cross at their posts, some of them saying oh well nothing bad happened to you; they can't afford to test; We haven't got the money to investigate sexual assault. So, we shouldn't be addressing this?

Is there not some sort of group / charity campaigning for this? making sure that in every university town has a place you can go to get a test. it can't be that expensive to produce. then at least you could buy one. and get the blood test or saliva test or whatever test you needed done, in order to prove that you have been spiked.

How can this not be happening and how come no one is bothered about it not happening ?

TerraNostra · 24/11/2022 14:05

OP I'm so sorry that this happened to you. Reading what the medical professionals on the thread here, it does sound very much like the police are completely wrong to suggest that the hospital should have tested you. Your plan to get a formal response via PALS which confirms it is not the hospital's responsibility, then pass that to the police, sounds like a good one. These police officers clearly need re-training so make sure you raise it by an official complaint channel.

@SleepyRich said "How can you prove you didn't take the drug for fun in a court of law?". I've heard other people make similar comments along those lines and I think that it's worth explaining that the evidence of a witness is still evidence, even if not backed up by documentary or video evidence. The person gives their evidence in a statement and/or on the stand. The defence is allowed to cross-examine and it's up to the jury to decide whether or not they believe that person. So yes, you could in theory prove that you did not take the drug for fun simply by being a very credible witness. It's easier to prove of course if other evidence is available, and that might affect a CPS decision as to whether or not to proceed with a prosecution, but there is no legal barrier to presenting witness evidence only.

SleepyRich · 24/11/2022 14:40

"None of the professionals I have spoken with have said that the testing itself wouldn’t make any difference to the prosecution. They have all said I should have been tested. The quibble is ‘by who?"

If testing was common/normal practice then there would be an established plan and pathway for it to occur. Every night, every A&E will see multiple patients who are unwell and that they might have been/were spiked, so it would be a common pathway in use.

People who haven't worked in A&E might expect that this would occur there as they'll be collecting blood for other purposes, but it doesn't for several reasons - chain of evidence, cost, time, benefit among them when they're focus is treating symptoms and getting you well enough to get out the door.

Spiking has been going on for decades, it's not new. The fact as you've discovered no one you've spoken to clearly knows who does do the tests in your area shows that it's just not normal practice. I would suspect most cases aren't even reported to the police at all, the victim just left to get on with it.

To look at it another way, say someone has definitely been spiked, there's no doubt. But fortunately they were taken to A&E before anything else happened to them, they were treated and discharged. The police are now investigating - they need to obtain CCTV footage from all the venues that person attended to identify who spiked the drink, multiple cameras from each venue, trying to track the persons drinks through the night. Think about all the times those drinks will be out of shot or just not covered by a camera. Think about how terrible the quality normally is, especially inside a dark pub/club. We've all seen the pictures on the news of person wanted in connection of serious crime - que blurry shot you can barely make out the colour of the persons clothes let alone their facial features, How many hours would this take of police time to go through all of this though on the off chance they do get some definitive evidence, in the investigation of a crime where ultimately no one was seriously harmed....

Yes it's a serious crime, yes ideally they will be investigated and certainly no one reporting the crime will be told it won't be. But typically all that is going to happen with be to request video from the one venue, ?if they have a shot that covers the area at the time, quick play through and likely nothing uncovered and in x months time you get a notice of case closed/no further investigations.

Out of interest a quick google shows a news article from 'national world' reporting only 37 convictions for drink spiking offences from 2017 to 202o in the UK, that includes all those which involved sexual assault.

The i reports between between 1 January 2018 and 3 November 2021.that out of 15 responding police forces to a FOI request only 44 people were ever charged with offences, 15 people received cautions, no prosecutions noted.
In some cases, the victims also reported being sexually assaulted or raped.

I think lots of police dramas on TV give people an overinflated idea of the level of investigation that goes on behind the scenes. It would certainly fall under the police services remit to gather this evidence though but they'd need investment to do so and it's still only part of the puzzle. I mean if lots of suspects were being found not guilty due to a lack of forensics that's one thing, but I bet it's the identifying the suspect in the first place that's not happening.

Rowthe · 24/11/2022 14:44

I've worked in A and E.

We dont have the necessary equipment.

I think this would be a Police job if it needed testing- forensics

MaryMcCarthy · 24/11/2022 15:06

Sorry to be glib but if you want crimes like this to be routinely investigated you'll need to vote for a government that isn't ideologically determined to cut the public sector. There just aren't the resources.

AlexClo · 24/11/2022 15:22

Welcome to England where all public services will do their absolute upmost to avoid having to help you - endlessly passing you onto other agencies that also refuse to help you in the hope that you eventually give up.........

DuchessDandelion · 24/11/2022 15:24

I agree, but it wasn't done for me either. I'm sorry you've been through it too :(