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AIBU?

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to refuse to sponsor this young person

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EmmaGrundyForPM · 22/11/2022 16:55

An acquaintance has sent out a mass message asking people she knows to sponsor her son to do a 10k run in the New Year.
Son is 17, Y13, and next summer is going to Uganda to build a playground in a primary school. He's raising funding for this with a target of £2500.

AIBU to think that, if the tables were turned, we wouldn't accept this? If I was told that a group of young people, with no experience, were coming to install playground equipment in my child's primary school, I would be outraged. As would other parents. And yet children in less wealthy countries are expected to be grateful for inexperienced people pitching up at their school.

When DS was in 6th form, there was an "opportunity" to go to Malawi for two weeks and volunteer in a school. I told DS I wouldn't support this, and he didn't go.

Why do schools and colleges run these trips, supposedly to "help" less fortunate children, when in fact it tends to be middle class children who go, because it looks good on their CV.

AIBU?

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CuddlesPleaseTiddles · 22/11/2022 18:37

I don't see the problem here. The funds will go towards this trip which in turn will help for organising this event, and buying equipment, and paying locals to help with construction presumably. What exactly is wrong with this? Just don't donate if you don't want to or can't afford, but equally, don't make assumptions that the kid is going on a holiday or that there will be a shabbily constructed playground. Ask for more info perhaps?

LunaLoveLemon · 22/11/2022 18:37

I saw an interesting Vice about this recently. Basically proper local builders had to come and re-do everything overnight.

It’s total white saviour bullshit. But at least he’s actually doing a run to raise his money and not just asking for sponsorship.

Zeborah · 22/11/2022 18:37

Wow I feel sad that your son missed out on a life enhancing experience. Helping others, visiting a different culture & the excitement of travel to another country.

DavidPeters · 22/11/2022 18:38

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Delphinium20 · 22/11/2022 18:40

MilkshakesBringAllTheCoosToTheYard · 22/11/2022 18:36

AIBU? I went to pick DS up from nursery today and there was a crowd of secondary students from god knows where 'playing' with them in the yard. They were all taking photos, I collared one of them and they had put pics of my DS on their insta and all over their school's twitter. I'm really protective of DS's online privacy, so I'm really upset. After some digging, I found out the group weren't DBS registered and didn't even speak English! So I've complained to the school but apparently they need a new playground and it's good for the bigger kids to play with little kids? I'm really confused and don't want to send DS to nursery tomorrow.

Exactly

KingaBee · 22/11/2022 18:40

Totally with you. For £2500 they could hire and pay a bunch of locals to build it and genuinely help the community. He can volunteer for free locally. But I guess that won’t produce a bunch of cute photos with small African children that look so good on tinder.

CaptainNelson · 22/11/2022 18:40

@IMissVino Can't do emojis, but applause for your post

Reaqc · 22/11/2022 18:40

When I lived in Northern Tanzania, the voluntourism season was an absolute shit show.

A fuck tonne of donated clothes suddenly flooding the area, totally fucking local women who sold clothes and repaired clothes for weeks or months.

Gap year students picking up kids, playing with them, showering them in sweets, toys, hugging them, taking pictures of them for their ig like they're props, throwing parties for them in school, carrying them around etc etc in both schools, orphanages and just random kids in the street and then poof they're gone and the next set comes in to rinse and repeat. Very healthy for the kids, a Disney dad experience every couple of weeks.

Kids with zero experience "teaching" local english classes in schools, every couple of weeks they'd switch out, very little is taught.

Local labourers losing out on jobs to free volunteers.

Projects being built that were unsafe or zero use to the community.

The vast majority of these voluntourist paid for trips are pure rubbish at best also very harmful to the local economy and at the very worst a cover for people sexually abusing in orphanages.

If you have an actual actual skill that is in desperate need or that it's useful to exchange with other countries, crack on, kcmc in Tanzania is a great example, a medical hospital where medical professionals from around the world visit and exchange ideas and work, very helpful.
People with no skills deciding to go teach/build on a couple of weeks voluntourism holiday, not so much and it tends to just line the pockets of the uk/USA owned voluntourism businesses.

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Zeborah · 22/11/2022 18:37

Wow I feel sad that your son missed out on a life enhancing experience. Helping others, visiting a different culture & the excitement of travel to another country.

Have you read any of the thread ?

Pixiedust1234 · 22/11/2022 18:40

Ohhh, now I get it. It doesn't matter if its Fiji, Thailand or Uganda. It doesn't matter if its building or cleaning or teaching. Whatever or where ever it still costs £2500. Flat fee. Funny that.

Dutch1e · 22/11/2022 18:40

Zeborah · 22/11/2022 18:37

Wow I feel sad that your son missed out on a life enhancing experience. Helping others, visiting a different culture & the excitement of travel to another country.

I imagine that OP, like many of us, would have no problems helping their DC to pay for a trip that didn't depend on exploitation.

AliceSnow7 · 22/11/2022 18:41

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butterfliedtwo · 22/11/2022 18:42

lieselotte · 22/11/2022 17:01

Quite. I'm with you OP. Better that they do some volunteering at home and learn some skills before they start on the white saviour trips.

Absolutely this.

Feelinggoodtuesday · 22/11/2022 18:42

@IMissVino
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Perfect

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Jerryyyyyy · 22/11/2022 17:02

Yeah I've heard that this is a problem as it prevents the work being given to locals who would have been paid for it.

I find the whole enterprise quite disquieting but obviously, this is massively problematic if true. Sad

WolvesOfTheCalla · 22/11/2022 18:44

Someone I know has a Volountourism up for her DC, to the tune of £6000 Shock Some bullshit about projects, a mountain climb, going off the beaten path.

To me it’s mawkish, paying to go gawp at a developing country, smacks of white privilege, and it all makes me deeply uneasy.

TiredMama05 · 22/11/2022 18:44

Interesting reading these posts! I actually started out thinking that YABU but the more I read, I can imagine there is an element of exploiting the white saviour thing. Although I guess it depends on what the project is/who is going etc etc. In this instance, I think that for the cost of sending this young unqualified person, it would be better if they found a way to give back closer to home where it won’t cost quite so much to get them there!

BobbyBobbyBobby · 22/11/2022 18:44

Charity begins at home.

SueVineer · 22/11/2022 18:45

Talia99 · 22/11/2022 18:12

That’s actually sad as it sounds like he was conned by the volunteerism company into paying money he didn’t have and which he had to raise from not very well off people. At least well off kids tend to have an idea they are on a jolly.

Voluntourism actually disadvantages locals - it damages the unskilled labour market by replacing paid labourers with unpaid volunteers. Somehow ‘build a school and help starve a child whose father can’t find work’ doesn’t have the same ring to it - I guess that’s why it’s not in the voluntourism company advertising.

No it really doesn’t. The kids are creating other jobs by paying to work. A lot of charities use overseas volunteers to fund their project and pay the locals.

it’s a holiday yes, but generally does some good.

butterfliedtwo · 22/11/2022 18:45

MilkshakesBringAllTheCoosToTheYard · 22/11/2022 18:36

AIBU? I went to pick DS up from nursery today and there was a crowd of secondary students from god knows where 'playing' with them in the yard. They were all taking photos, I collared one of them and they had put pics of my DS on their insta and all over their school's twitter. I'm really protective of DS's online privacy, so I'm really upset. After some digging, I found out the group weren't DBS registered and didn't even speak English! So I've complained to the school but apparently they need a new playground and it's good for the bigger kids to play with little kids? I'm really confused and don't want to send DS to nursery tomorrow.

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 22/11/2022 18:46

Right so only poor working class children who’ve known a trade since the age of 5 (chimney sweeps?) should be allowed to do these things?

The irony is, this hypocritical sniffing at those who help people if need - presumably because it’s patronising and MC - is the most patronising and MC thing going. IMO

Prescottdanni123 · 22/11/2022 18:46

I volunteer in African countries. I do it because I want to help. I don't put it on my cv. I don't put it on social media. I do it because I care about helping others. I also do work for charities in this country. These countries do need help. What do you think would happen if every white person said "Right, I'm not going to help anymore".

Volunteering us an amazing experience. A good chance to make new friends and see new places as well as help others. Its a pity you talked your son out of the Malawi trip.

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Zeborah · 22/11/2022 18:37

Wow I feel sad that your son missed out on a life enhancing experience. Helping others, visiting a different culture & the excitement of travel to another country.

Maybe the OP thinks teaching her son to think of non-white people in deprived countries as people just like him is better than teaching him to see them as props in a ‘life enhancing experience’?

West world is science fiction not real life (and that didn’t end well either). These are people not cardboard cutouts. I suppose the OP could have allowed her son to go when she knows the damage it causes - after all, hewould benefit. Who cares about the locals. Not the lesson I’d want to be teaching my children - but you do you.