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No wonder the NHS is struggling - can't quite believe this!

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outpatient · 21/11/2022 17:45

Today I went to the hospital. On the from door entrance there was a member of staff whose job it was to say "do you have an appointment, so you have any covid symptoms"

That's it. She's was being paid to do that. She was there all morning, just to say that. This is in addition to the receptionist that checks you in when you actually arrive,

Is this not bonkers? NHS is screwed if someone thinks this is entirely reasonable to pay someone to do this.

It is beyond saving, and likely not running out of money just making really shit decisions WITH the money

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vivainsomnia · 23/11/2022 13:49

The government is trying to reduce diabetes. That is one of the reasons children are weighed at school. And you can see here how unhappy mothers are to be told their child is fat
Exactly, the good old standard, 'its always someone's else fault'.

Its funny how posters always go on about wanting numbers and evidence, but these point the fingers to them, it is promptly ignored. It's so much more entertaining to undermine volunteering workers than to wonder what we could do as individuals to reduce costs to the NHS.

Kinsters · 23/11/2022 14:27

YANBU

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 23/11/2022 14:34

So the OP left her ranty post, had it explained to her that the person she's ranting about is a volunteer, and then decided not to return to the thread?

What a fanny.

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 23/11/2022 14:35

Kinsters · 23/11/2022 14:27

YANBU

Why do you think she's not being unreasonable?

Sugerfree · 23/11/2022 20:14

antelopevalley · 23/11/2022 13:30

@Sugerfree You do know a Swiss-style system, that is eyewatering expensive, would use the same hospitals and Drs? Very few private hospitals in the UK have anywhere near the level of equipment and expertise that NHS hospitals have. The vast majority do easy operations on largely well people.

Are you suggesting that Swiss nationals on low incomes or that are unemployed receive no healthcare in Switzerland? That they're somehow denied healthcare due to not being able to afford it? I can assure you that that is not the case and the care they receive is way better than the shite we get from the god-awful NHS.

If not Switzerland - then Germany, Spain, Netherlands, France.. Take your pick. Any of them would be better than wasting more money on the irrational, dysfunctional NHS, which currently has some of the worst patient outcomes in the Western world.

antelopevalley · 23/11/2022 20:33

In Switzerland everyone by law has to take out basic medical insurance. But there are excesses/copays for everything. Are you really suggesting that some people opt not to have medical treatment because they can't afford the copay? Pregnancy is the only issue that you do not have to pay a copay for.

Anything above this basic health insurance is ordinary private medical insurance. If you do not have this you would not get treatment.

However, Switzerland is a richer country than the UK. So you do not get the horror stories from Switzerland that you do from the US about people crowdfunding to pay for basic cancer treatment.

antelopevalley · 23/11/2022 20:35

In Switzerland, the basic insurance is the same price whatever your medical conditions. The extra insurance does take into account any issues and age. My family have a genetic condition. We would not be able to afford cover.

XingMing · 23/11/2022 20:42

I am very sorry, especially if it's anything like Huntingdon's chorea.

XingMing · 23/11/2022 20:56

As far as I know, there's no treatment still, and not even any prospect of a breakthrough. That must feel truly awful. Don't reply, but you have my deepest sympathy and I can only hold out my hand..

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm · 23/11/2022 21:04

Know what you mean. But you'll get slaughtered on here for daring to express any criticism of the NHS, however mild.

outpatient · 24/11/2022 08:14

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 23/11/2022 14:34

So the OP left her ranty post, had it explained to her that the person she's ranting about is a volunteer, and then decided not to return to the thread?

What a fanny.

I can't even e reply to someone who used a word like fanny to describe someone 🤦‍♀️

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outpatient · 24/11/2022 08:15

Anyway, didn't even cross my mind they'd be a volunteer so if she was fair enough.

I still find it bizarre to be honest perhaps they could have given the volunteer something much more useful to do

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outpatient · 24/11/2022 08:16

ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · 21/11/2022 19:00

Yes a £608,000,000 organisation is crumbling because of someone on a door asking about infectious diseases. With business acumen like that, you should go on The Apprentice.

Don't be ridiculous - obvious that one thing isn't going to save it but it raises a bigger question of how many more stupid decisions are being made that we DONT know about - because they alll accumulate and waste money.

Honestly some people on this thread are batshit, really weird - the NHS on its knees but still can't agree it's failing

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outpatient · 24/11/2022 08:17

oakleaffy · 21/11/2022 19:22

A volunteer greeter and Covid checker is the cause of the downfall of the NHS.???

MaybeIf people weren’t so silly as to come into a hospital with covid, such volunteers wouldn’t be needed.

The mentality on this thread lol

If I have come to a hospital with covid do you really think I'd answer yes to the question? Anyone trying to attend with cocos symptoms knows what they're doing

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outpatient · 24/11/2022 08:20

antelopevalley · 21/11/2022 19:43

@Neanov Okay if we agree it is a worker, probably on minimum wage or just above, it really does not matter. They are there to stop covid spreading to vulnerable patients.

It absolutely does matter.

Absolutely / that someone has paid someone to stand on a door to ask if you have an appointment (well if I didn't I wouldn't be fucking here) and then if I have covid symptoms

The issue I have is you THEN see a receptionist so why not just get the receptionist to ask.

I honestly can't believe you feel this is fair use of resources for someone to do that all day.

Why not just put a poster up?

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outpatient · 24/11/2022 08:21

Testina · 21/11/2022 19:51

@outpatient isn’t coming back. Shame, cos their arse in still here on a plate, with people ready to hand it back to them.

Nope, I'm here 👋😁

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outpatient · 24/11/2022 08:23

holierthanthou73 · 21/11/2022 20:10

Well that put the OP back in there box hence they haven’t returned. Having worked in the NHS and as many others have pointed out would definitely be a PALs volunteer

Some of you people on this thread are real weirdos 😂

I haven't been put back in any box! How pathetic

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outpatient · 24/11/2022 08:25

vivainsomnia · 23/11/2022 13:22

It must be said that WE are part of the problem. So many people eat garbage, get fat, use repeat prescriptions/stock pile stuff they don’t need (my BIL’s dad, for example), make appointments they don’t keep, complain constantly, abuse staff, go to A&E or phone 999 over the most trivial nonsense...then wonder why the NHS is in trouble
This and this again. In all certainty, this person is a volunteer, a person giving their time to help their local trust. Even if they were paid, it woul be peanuts compared to the cost of diabetes. That's 10 billions a year or 10% of the total cost of the NHS.

90% or so of people who are diabetic are type 2, that is caused by lifestyle.

So anyone who wants to complain about the cost of the NHS, why not start by getting people to become responsible for their health. 10% is huge and would make a massive difference to what it current can provide.

It's our fault as citizen that our NHS is on its last knee.

Completely agree - it's an absolute joke that someone with lifestyle inflicted diabetes can use a system for free and someone living healthily is affected by it

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outpatient · 24/11/2022 08:27

PurpleButterflyWings · 21/11/2022 22:40

@outpatient Not had much to say since your original post (5 hours ago) have you? Wink

🙄 no I actually have a real job, very demanding doesn't afford me the time to be glued to Mumsnet all day

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MaryMcCarthy · 24/11/2022 09:33

You don't think keeping Covid out of hospitals is a worthwhile thing for a volunteer to do? Have you been asleep for the last two years?

Kendodd · 24/11/2022 09:54

outpatient · 24/11/2022 08:17

The mentality on this thread lol

If I have come to a hospital with covid do you really think I'd answer yes to the question? Anyone trying to attend with cocos symptoms knows what they're doing

I volunteered in a similar position asking covid screening questions. People did show up and answered 'yes' when we asked them about positive test results and symptoms.

Kendodd · 24/11/2022 09:58

Anyway, you've made a bit of a fool of yourself with this thread OP, I'd get back to that demanding job if I were you.

MaryMcCarthy · 24/11/2022 10:19

the NHS on its knees but still can't agree it's failing

It's you people aren't agreeing with. Because your attitude stinks.

Jasmineblossom24 · 24/11/2022 11:37

At my local hospital, our "greeter" is a band 6 nurse (I know because we are friends)! She greets people outside A&E but doesn't do anything else that shift unless they are super busy, but her door "work" is the main thing

FurryDandelionSeekingMissile · 24/11/2022 11:57

Jasmineblossom24 · 24/11/2022 11:37

At my local hospital, our "greeter" is a band 6 nurse (I know because we are friends)! She greets people outside A&E but doesn't do anything else that shift unless they are super busy, but her door "work" is the main thing

If it's A&E, isn't that as much of a pre-triage as anything else? I hear of long waits just to be triaged, but presumably there's some way of determining that a person with their head hanging off needs to be triaged sooner rather than later. And I remember several years ago being turned away at the door of A&E and directed towards the on-site GP. You'd want a nurse in that role.