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To think the school have got this very wrong?

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anerki101 · 18/11/2022 12:04

Had an email from my child's school this week regarding the World Cup. The council have decided that they want to celebrate the World Cup so will be allowing the first game to be shown in school for every one to watch. They added that because of the human rights concerns with the host nation they would ask the kids to wear their football kits or team colours and bring in a donation for amnesty International.

AIBU to think this is wrong? If they are concerned about the human rights issues then surely boycotting the World Cup and NOT showing the game is the the best thing to do? Very happy to donate to amnesty but I still think allowing the game to be shown is a mistake.

I say this as a football fan who looks forward and watches the world Cup but won't be this time.

OP posts:
melj1213 · 20/11/2022 10:18

I can’t understand why schools don’t solve the issue of whether to show it on human rights grounds by just not showing it on the grounds that, you know, it’s the school day and we don’t watch football during the school day. Simple. Kids don’t attend? Implement the normal non attendance sanctions

So no sanctions at all then?

DDs current secondary, and her previous primary, school would not put a sanction in place for one unauthorised absence for a single afternoon session so anyone missing the afternoon classes would get no consequence for missing their work (beyond catching up, which half the kids never do anyway, even when they miss a class for a genuine reason).

It's the only England game that happens in school hours, it's hardly like they're suspending learning for the whole tournament.

Schools know that people will use the football as a reason to bunk off if they don't show it, either because they have genuinely gone to watch it at home/out at a pub or fan space with friends and family or in some areas it's more likely because they'll use the game as a reason to bunk off and then go out and be antisocial with their mates.

So the schools have looked at the options - don't show the game and have multiple kids across all years miss the afternoon session as they know there will be no consequences for their absence and also potentially have kids off causing trouble; or show the game and keep all the kids in school, have a 90 minute break to lessons for the game with a plan put in place for those kids who actively don't want to watch the game and have the opportunity to use the game as a focus for learning (depending on the age of the students).

It's something that has happened once or twice every couple of decades, hardly like they're taking hours out of lessons every single week.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/11/2022 10:25

Some kids live and breathe football

This is true, so surely the purpose of a rounded education is to foster interest in all manner of areas rather than encourage tunnel vision in just one?

derxa · 20/11/2022 10:46

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/11/2022 10:25

Some kids live and breathe football

This is true, so surely the purpose of a rounded education is to foster interest in all manner of areas rather than encourage tunnel vision in just one?

'Tunnel vision'?
During the last World Cup but one I was still teaching. I made a project out of it. It incorporated maths, English, geography, art etc. I wonder if teachers are doing similar this time. As for teachers choosing to show the match for their own benefit, supervising kids is always work not a jolly. The school which is showing the match as part of Golden Time is really sensible. Pupils not interested in football can do their usual activities.

marktayloruk · 20/11/2022 12:59

If a man and woman agree to sleep together for money by mutual consent it's nobody's business but theirs.

Bagpuss2022 · 20/11/2022 13:37

It’s only a one off all of the other England matches and predicted if they progress are weekends or 7pm kick offs.
thinks DDs school have got it right they voted the kids who want to watch it are allowed and allocated different areas to watch supervised all other kids have normal time tables with the regular teachers so it’s not teachers wanting to watch it as 95% of teachers will be in there classrooms teaching the ones who don’t want to watch it.
for hearts and minds I think it’s a good thing the whole human rights aspects are another thing altogether

eastegg · 20/11/2022 13:38

marktayloruk · 20/11/2022 12:59

If a man and woman agree to sleep together for money by mutual consent it's nobody's business but theirs.

I think we all know that prostitution is way more complicated than that, not always, but enough of the time for it not to be batted away as blithely as that.

Trudij123 · 20/11/2022 14:02

derxa · 20/11/2022 09:58

Some kids live and breathe football. Yours might not or their friends.

Funnily enough I’m aware of that 🙄🙄🙄🙄🤣🤣

SallyB392 · 20/11/2022 19:13

At risk of being slapped down, my view is that no I do not agree with the laws and beliefs in Qatar in respect of human rights. However I also respect the fact that we are discussing the beliefs of a different race, culture and religion, backed by a totally different legal system.

I would not choose to visit Qatar. But this is my personal choice. If I were to choose to travel to Qatar would have to respect Qatari law.

Bucketheadbucketbum · 20/11/2022 20:30

I still want to know how many if the women's world Cup games were shown at this school!!?!!?

It's bonkers!

They shouldn't be showing it unless they are going to show world cup womens sports and world cup rugby, hockey, the olympics, tennis, men and women etc etc etc

Why should men's football in particular be put on a pedestal? Ehat message are we sending our daughters? The kids who prefer other sports / academics / music etc? The Qatar issue and Fifa corruption are even more of a reason to boycott.

Your school have got it very very wrong

marktayloruk · 20/11/2022 20:41

Football is our national sport. Just let the kids enjoy themselves and don't be a spoilsport!

Florenz · 20/11/2022 20:45

Bucketheadbucketbum · 20/11/2022 20:30

I still want to know how many if the women's world Cup games were shown at this school!!?!!?

It's bonkers!

They shouldn't be showing it unless they are going to show world cup womens sports and world cup rugby, hockey, the olympics, tennis, men and women etc etc etc

Why should men's football in particular be put on a pedestal? Ehat message are we sending our daughters? The kids who prefer other sports / academics / music etc? The Qatar issue and Fifa corruption are even more of a reason to boycott.

Your school have got it very very wrong

None of the England women's world cup games at the 2019 tournament were held during school hours.

The next tournament is in Australia and New Zealand so maybe kids will be given the opportunity to watch some or all of the England games in that.

Hermione101 · 20/11/2022 20:46

Topgub · 18/11/2022 12:17

There's absolutely no need for schools to be doing anything for the world Cup.

Regardless of which country hosts

This 1000x!

Florenz · 20/11/2022 20:47

There is no "need" but it's a nice thing to do.

TheOrigRights · 20/11/2022 20:50

Eugh DS (13) feels like he's got an ear infection coming in (he's prone).
They're going to think he's bunking off if he's not well enough for school tomorrow!

Theunamedcat · 20/11/2022 22:06

TheOrigRights · 20/11/2022 20:50

Eugh DS (13) feels like he's got an ear infection coming in (he's prone).
They're going to think he's bunking off if he's not well enough for school tomorrow!

Doctors appointment? Will he need antibiotics?

melj1213 · 20/11/2022 22:28

Bucketheadbucketbum · 20/11/2022 20:30

I still want to know how many if the women's world Cup games were shown at this school!!?!!?

It's bonkers!

They shouldn't be showing it unless they are going to show world cup womens sports and world cup rugby, hockey, the olympics, tennis, men and women etc etc etc

Why should men's football in particular be put on a pedestal? Ehat message are we sending our daughters? The kids who prefer other sports / academics / music etc? The Qatar issue and Fifa corruption are even more of a reason to boycott.

Your school have got it very very wrong

Can you tell me which Women's World Cup games you would have liked the children to have watched at school during the last WWC?

Bearing in mind that England Women's WCs fixtures were played on Sunday 9th June 2019 at 18:00, Friday 14th and Wednesday 19th of June 2019 at 21:00 (Group games); Sunday 23rd June at 17:30 (R16); Thursday 27th June at 21:00 (QF); Tuesday 2nd July at 21:00 (SF) and Saturday 6th July 17:00 (3rd place play off)

You also mention the likes of the Olympics which take place in the summer holidays (the last one took place from July 23rd to August 8th). I don't watch hockey so no idea of they have a World Cup, but tennis has many annual tournaments but the closest to a WC (of players playing specifically for their country) is the Davis Cup Finals, last of which was in 2021 and the GB group matches were at weekends - 27/28 November 2021 and their QF was in the evening of 30 November. Six Nations rugby happens every year but it's all held on Friday evenings and weekend days so no educational disruption.

An England WC game happening during the school day happens once every four years at the most but usually only once every few decades (Last one was 2002 so 20 years ago, the one before that was 1998 so 4 years previously) I'm pretty sure my DD missed more learning due to practicing for the annual school nativity/Harvest Festival/Halloween/Easter/Summer performances than she ever did for a sporting event.

Fairislefandango · 20/11/2022 22:33

Football is our national sport.

Says who?! Cricket, rugby and tennis are also our 'national sports'. Since when does a country have to have just one national sport?

Florenz · 20/11/2022 22:36

Football is by far the most popular sport in this country.

Fairislefandango · 20/11/2022 22:38

During the last World Cup but one I was still teaching. I made a project out of it. It incorporated maths, English, geography, art etc.

I'm a teacher too and I don't do that, because it's so bloody tedious for all the many kids who don't like football when football is the one sport that everyone makes a song and dance about! Or do you go all extra-curricular about cycling, gymnastics, cricket, tennis etc as well?

Rororowan · 20/11/2022 23:41

ThistleTits · 20/11/2022 09:54

@Rororowan you have the Nordic Model confused. It does the opposite of what you believe.
Research it, listen to ex prostitutes who support it and their reactions why.
Any other way harms women and supports pimps/men.

I have done a good amount of research on different approaches to criminalization. There is no evidence that the nordic model reduces sex work - the only studies have used self-reported questionnaires, so it's "how many people will admit they pay for sex when it's legal" vs "how many people will admit they illegally pay for sex" - obviously people will be less inclined to admit it when it is illegal. There is strong evidence that workers under the Nordic model are less safe. Where clients are breaking the law, they are (understandably) less willing to screen, less willing to share identifying information, which forces workers into less safe conditions. IF it results in less clients, then it means workers have less choice. Again, for the workers who are most dependent on sex work to put food on the table, having less clients means less money and less safety. Surely you understand that in our society people need money to live? And cutting off a vital income does significant harm?

Can you explain how you think criminalising our clients improves safety for anyone? Especially vulnerable workers?

TheOrigRights · 21/11/2022 08:32

Theunamedcat · 20/11/2022 22:06

Doctors appointment? Will he need antibiotics?

Currently in the phone queue for the GP.
School never normally ask for proof of illness (not for short periods anyway, have never needed more than that).

TheOrigRights · 21/11/2022 08:55

TheOrigRights · 21/11/2022 08:32

Currently in the phone queue for the GP.
School never normally ask for proof of illness (not for short periods anyway, have never needed more than that).

Appointment for 10.20am. Winning!

eastegg · 21/11/2022 14:58

TheOrigRights · 20/11/2022 20:50

Eugh DS (13) feels like he's got an ear infection coming in (he's prone).
They're going to think he's bunking off if he's not well enough for school tomorrow!

My DS11 is sat with me now watching the match in his dressing gown. When I first read your post yesterday I suddenly realised what this might look like! Horrible fluey heavy cold which really cranked up yesterday. I was so hoping he’d be well enough for school but he isn’t. I really wanted him to go because it’s flu vaccine day and it’s a pain to sort out through the surgery.

derxa · 21/11/2022 17:30

Fairislefandango · 20/11/2022 22:38

During the last World Cup but one I was still teaching. I made a project out of it. It incorporated maths, English, geography, art etc.

I'm a teacher too and I don't do that, because it's so bloody tedious for all the many kids who don't like football when football is the one sport that everyone makes a song and dance about! Or do you go all extra-curricular about cycling, gymnastics, cricket, tennis etc as well?

Do you think creating an art wall with the Brazilian rain forest is tedious? 2014 World Cup in Brazil. Researching a country taking part? I used the Hamilton Trust

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