To think the school have got this very wrong?

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Had an email from my child's school this week regarding the World Cup. The council have decided that they want to celebrate the World Cup so will be allowing the first game to be shown in school for every one to watch. They added that because of the human rights concerns with the host nation they would ask the kids to wear their football kits or team colours and bring in a donation for amnesty International.

AIBU to think this is wrong? If they are concerned about the human rights issues then surely boycotting the World Cup and NOT showing the game is the the best thing to do? Very happy to donate to amnesty but I still think allowing the game to be shown is a mistake.

I say this as a football fan who looks forward and watches the world Cup but won't be this time.

It’s islamaphobia in disguise. Only the Muslim countries should be held responsible for poor human rights. Everyone else is exempt.

Not the point at all, but where on earth do they go to school where there is time in the curriculum to watch a football match?!

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I haven't a clue what you're all on about and I doubt the kids would have either.

Children should be children. Its not for them too worry about adult concerns. They've a lifetime for that. Let them watch the football in ignorance

Asking for donations to Amnesty is unacceptable, they are racist. Surely it would be better for an anti-Slavery charity.

All schools in England and Wales should be instructed to let their pupils who

Watch their countries. They should not even mention politics.

What about women's sport

Are they celebrating any of that? Women's teams have had some amazing victories this year on the global stage. Did they show any of those matches?

We had an email from school saying that years 5 and 6 had voted that they wanted their golden time on Monday instead of Friday so they could watch it - I know quite a few in those years and there’s no way they would have done that… the teachers on the other hand…

The Nordic model puts women at greater risk. It does nothing to protect the women who are choosing between sex work and starvation. All it does is make the sex work more dangerous.

Sexual assault is illegal. Forced labour is illegal. Abuse is illegal. Trafficking is illegal, and it happens a lot in domestic labour and in the food industry. None of these laws are about whether someone can charge money for sexual services. Specific laws preventing sex work are harmful to the women who rely on sex work, myself including. The Nordic model does nothing for my protection.
I am well aware that not all sex workers have a lot of choice. I am friends with workers who hate sex, but it is their only way to pay for essentials. The Nordic model does not protect them either, just makes it more dangerous for them.

As for workers who are being trafficked and genuinely held against their will - their abusers are already breaking the law, do you think extra laws around the selling of sex will be the line they won't cross? Laws against abuse and trafficking need better enforcement. We need stronger supports for victims of abuse. We need stronger financial support for people in poverty. Nobody benefits from the Nordic model (except maybe pimps and brokers)

So wrong, education should not be activist indoctrination that is what that is, pure and simple. Complain to your local conservative politician try the others as well. You will find out a lot of pollies want to use children for their political activities. DEVIOUS, building activists and using the education department ideologues to do the job. It worked well behind the iron curtain and in Nth Korea as well. Watch the parades in North Korea ,it does work.

This. I would not be donating any money to this organisation.

Amnesty International says that sex is a human right and therefore prostitution is fine

AI’s policy has a focus on sex workers (who are going to exist whether prostitution is legal or illegal) and the fact their ‘job’ makes them targets of abuse. It is not about the right of ‘clients’ to have sex. It’s really not the same as saying sex is a human right and prostitution is fine.

I can’t understand why schools don’t solve the issue of whether to show it on human rights grounds by just not showing it on the grounds that, you know, it’s the school day and we don’t watch football during the school day. Simple. Kids don’t attend? Implement the normal non attendance sanctions.

And I speak as someone who does get into the spirit of the World Cup since having kids who love it, I just don’t think we should lose our minds over a first round match. Slightly trickier if England progressed far (cross that bridge when we come to it eh 😊) but that’s why the final’s always at the weekend.

"Ruin your kids childhood"? Really? Are your kids' whole lives that small that they hinge upon a football tournament? There is nothing wrong with using the real world to teach kids empathy, kindness, consideration for others - appropriately and sensitively. I'd rather have it baked in to my kids'development in a loving environment than have them grow up thinking everything in the world revolves around them - sod anybody else...

Totally agree with you

Nope @Shiningsilverargent , the wording was something like “because sex is a human right we will not stigmatise those who are unable or unwilling to access it by conventional means”. It was all about mens rights to sexual access and nothing about the people and children traffiked and raped to meet that “right”.

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💯 agree. After losing so much school time over the lockdowns they need to be educated and the focus on football atm is perfect for educating them on human rights issues. Watching a match on tv is not education

Just to put this out there but this is unlikely to be a teacher decision. Large scale things like collapsing lessons and hosting something outside curriculum can only be decided by SLT, Heads, CEOs etc normally otherwise all teachers could just do whatever they want (in most good schools this the case)

But people are right this isn't new. I remember watching it when I was in middle school over 20 years ago. There is always an alternative for kids to do if they dont want to watch. It isn't great morally but if they don't show it some children will miss school and you'd be surprised even at GCSE how many parents support children in this. A bigger issue is if we (the team) get quite far/do quite well they will have already established a record of showing it and kids may expect it to continue and they can't supspend that much learning without some kind of knock on effect.

I can’t understand why schools don’t solve the issue of whether to show it on human rights grounds by just not showing it on the grounds that, you know, it’s the school day and we don’t watch football during the school day. Simple. Kids don’t attend? Implement the normal non attendance sanctions

You're bringing common sense into it now, eastegg - not always a safe thing to do where football's involved

Given the pumped-up tribalism which football encourages it's actually quite amusing to read that the match may be used for education around human rights, etc. ... almost as if most kids would happily trade who-fouled-who and other such jabber for a thoughtful discussion about a place most couldn't even find on a map

@Rororowan you have the Nordic Model confused. It does the opposite of what you believe.
Research it, listen to ex prostitutes who support it and their reactions why.
Any other way harms women and supports pimps/men.

Some kids live and breathe football. Yours might not or their friends.

Quoted directly from AI

’Our policy is not about the rights of buyers of sex - it is entirely focussed on protecting sex workers who face a range of human rights violations that are linked to criminalisation…..We do not believe that anyone should enter sex work against their will and should never be forced or coerced into being a sex worker. There is evidence that sex workers often engage in sex work as their only means of survival and because they have no other choice. This only perpetuates the marginalisation of sex workers and this is why we want to ensure we have a policy in place that advocates for their human rights’

I can see a Guardian article from 2015 that states AI says prostitution is a human right but things seem to have moved on since then.