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to opt out of teaching pension?

101 replies

ImanIDIOTO · 15/11/2022 17:20

6.5% of my earnings
£190 a month

I can’t afford this - is it a terrible idea to opt out?
State pension kicks in right?
So confused

OP posts:
thisoldrag · 15/11/2022 17:30

please don't opt out no matter how hard especially a job like teaching which is probably more difficult the older you get .

ilovesooty · 15/11/2022 17:31

Don't do it.

plominoagain · 15/11/2022 17:33

Don't do it . Really really don't . No , it's not as good as it was , but trust me you will regret it if you do . You might be saving £190 a month , but you'll also lose your employers contribution to your pension which is much more . In later years it will cost you much much more than you will have saved .

If you absolutely can't afford it then opt out briefly , but get back in as soon as you can

flumposie · 15/11/2022 17:36

Stay in.

Soontobe60 · 15/11/2022 17:36

ImanIDIOTO · 15/11/2022 17:20

6.5% of my earnings
£190 a month

I can’t afford this - is it a terrible idea to opt out?
State pension kicks in right?
So confused

Whilst you’re paying in 6.5%, (which is odd as the lowest rate is currently 7.4%) your employer is also paying in 23.6%
Your contribution is taken off before tax, so you wont actually get £190 a month back as your tax will increase; it’ll be more like £152. You will be better off by £1824 a year.
Opting out will mean that your death in service benefits will cease, currently its 3x your annual salary plus a dependents pension. Not to be sniffed at!
Opting out can also impact on how your pension is calculated. Are you in the final salary, career average or combined scheme?
Finally, how much do you think you need to live on in retirement? I don't get a full pension as I didn't start teaching until I was 30, but I worked full time for 28 years before retiring and my highest salary was around £42k. My pension is just over £12k a year and I will continue working part time up to getting my State Pension when I’m 66.
My advice - think about the future, not just the here and now. A Teacher’s pension is still one of the best pensions you can have.

Manekinek0 · 15/11/2022 17:42

I voted YABU but I do understand how it could be impossible to make it work. Could you get some extra money Marking exam papers over the summer or tutoring? I would try everything before opting out as I think you will regret it a few years down the line.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 15/11/2022 17:43

I really really wouldn’t if you can possibly help it. You’ll need that pension and the value will be so much more than you put in.

Just think of it as money you never had

BlackLambAndGreyFalcon · 15/11/2022 17:44

Adding to those saying don't do it. Apart from the thousands you'll be worse off in retirement if you opt out now, you will lose your death in service benefit. If you die before retirement your spouse and dependents receive a pension from the pension scheme, which increases with inflation each year.

chosenone · 15/11/2022 17:49

Do not do it! You’re opting out of a lot of free money! You put in 190 a month they will be putting in round £450 a month! It is the best way to save for retirement and the death in service payment is vital if you have DC. State pension is a lot lower too

greyinggranny · 15/11/2022 17:50

I opted out for about 5 years (2 kids under 5; money short) and now very much regret it. I've since rejoined.

23% employer contribution is high. I wish I'd thrown mire money into it when younger, to be honest. Too late now as nearing 60

DPotter · 15/11/2022 17:52

Another for don't do it. Best public pension scheme bar the top flight civil service one. You'll never be able to make up the contributions

AlisonDonut · 15/11/2022 17:53

Having recently taken early retirement I think everyone needs to put as much into a pension as they possibly can as early as they can.

Mischance · 15/11/2022 17:54

State pension is peanuts. You can add in Pension Credit if you are very poor and qualify - but even with that you would be poor.

A lot of the people who are struggling to heat their homes are on a state pension.

I know it feels like a hell of a big outlay now, but your employer is paying in for you too and that is not to be jettisoned lightly.

17CherryTreeLane · 15/11/2022 17:54

You will literally be opting out of free money for your future self

cosypeppermint · 15/11/2022 17:55

I hugely regret not having a better pension when younger. You’d be insane to do this.

Decorhate · 15/11/2022 17:55

Another one saying stay in it if you can. If you do opt out please take out some life insurance - you can probably get a policy for around £10 per month. From personal experience it’s very important.

TheKeatingFive · 15/11/2022 17:55

Awful idea. Please don't

VickyEadieofThigh · 15/11/2022 17:56

ABSOLUTELY DO NOT DO IT.

Find other ways of raising extra money or cutting costs (or both).

NoLongerATeacher · 15/11/2022 17:57

Iamnotthe1 · 15/11/2022 17:28

The teacher pension was changed by this government a while ago and it is now worse than it was. One way, for example, is that unless you are very near retirement now, you cannot take it early and it only starts from state pension age.

That being said, definitely stay in it if you can, especially if you are younger. Who knows whether there will be a standard state pension by the time you retire. It could be means tested or not exist in that form at all.

Can you confirm this? I recently retired at 55 and took my lump sum allowance and am getting a monthly amount as well. Granted the monthly amount is not as much as if I’d waited until 67 but I calculated that the total amount I’d received until then was much more than say from 67 to 80.

Definitely keep in it if you can OP but I get where you’re coming from as it always seemed so much!

Inasec24 · 15/11/2022 17:59

I've opted out but only temporarily to help clear a debt. I will be opting back in in January. I did this before when my children were little - opted out for one year. This time will only be 5 months. Both times I've opted out it was with a clear idea in my head of how long it would be for.

Survey99 · 15/11/2022 18:02

You would be mad to opt out of such a generous employer pension scheme.

If you don't understand why educate yourself by having a look at the available bumpf around your pension and its benefits.

WGACA · 15/11/2022 18:03

You’d be crazy to pull out. It’s one of the best pensions there is.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 15/11/2022 18:05

As everyone else has said don't stop it!

You don't pay tax (and maybe N.I.) on pension contributions and your 'company' pays too.

If you can pay more in!!!

SirGawain · 15/11/2022 18:05

Lady Gawain grumble like mad at every pay slip when she saw how much she was paying in pension contributions. I insisted that she should stay in. We are now living comfortably on the accumulated funds. A lesson in life, never let short term considerations dictate long term policy.

Miss03852 · 15/11/2022 18:06

Are you set to inherit money/property? It depends on that really