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Rent increase - fuck fuckity fuck!!!

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BlondeWaves · 14/11/2022 11:14

Moved into my house 2.5 months ago and now having to move as had a letter from the landlord to say rent is going up by 150 a month. I KNOW I am being unreasonable but I am sat here sobbing because I've just settled here with my young child and the thought of having to go through all that upheaval again is so stressful. I can't afford the extra 150, I'm already stretched with the way everything has increased. This could happen again and again and I just hate our government and the way things are at the moment. I have no resentment towards my landlord as I know his mortgage has realistically gone up by more than 150 a month, but fuck, I'm so stressed. Don't even know what I want from this thread, maybe a handhold, maybe to be told I need to suck it up (weirdly I respond well to tough love) but I need something. Anyone there? 😭

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Rubyroo73 · 14/11/2022 21:24

Oops! Wrong thread sorry, have reported!

endlesscraziness · 15/11/2022 08:10

@ToInfinityAgain you've come into a thread where a mother is worried about losing her home because she can't afford an illegal increase of £150 and you're wondering why you get no sympathy over your £30,000 increase on your £1.2million mortgage. Tone deaf much? You have an easy out; sell, all whilst keeping your primary family home. Meanwhile she's worried about being homeless with a small child.

vera99 · 15/11/2022 08:54

endlesscraziness · 15/11/2022 08:10

@ToInfinityAgain you've come into a thread where a mother is worried about losing her home because she can't afford an illegal increase of £150 and you're wondering why you get no sympathy over your £30,000 increase on your £1.2million mortgage. Tone deaf much? You have an easy out; sell, all whilst keeping your primary family home. Meanwhile she's worried about being homeless with a small child.

And implied that if you are in such a situation then you only have yourself to blame.

walkinginsunshinekat · 15/11/2022 10:29

ToInfinityAgain · 14/11/2022 18:38

That’s right dear, all of us migrants are just fools who moved here through ignorance.

While at , apparently also being bright enough to get jobs that let us own multiple homes.

Quite the mystery that isn’t it, how someone arriving in the UK with nothing can end up buying a house yet so many posters on here, who think themselves oh so clever, can’t.

So you, a female, came across on a dinghy in last 3 or 4 years, as it wasn't a "thing" before then and now own multi million pound properties...

Well done you.

walkinginsunshinekat · 15/11/2022 10:37

You could say selling off council was a mistake- I don’t really get the policy sounds mad but maybe new properties were meant to be built with the money raised

No the policy was that Councils were strictly forbidden to build replacement council housing with the money raised, i thought that was common knowledge.

Now though creating many more new houses is hard, taxpayers are already feeling it before subsiding more builds

Tax payers paid out 16bn 21/22, money that goes into the pockets of LLs with no returns, we ve spent approx 20 billion per year since 2020.

How many houses would that have built? and how much would that now be worth to councils? plus the benefits in poorer people having more money to spend and be able to live/work in more expensive areas.

FarFromTheStart · 15/11/2022 10:41

walkinginsunshinekat · 15/11/2022 10:29

So you, a female, came across on a dinghy in last 3 or 4 years, as it wasn't a "thing" before then and now own multi million pound properties...

Well done you.

Was there a claim to have arrived in a dinghy, or recently?

MarshaBradyo · 15/11/2022 10:42

I thought that was common knowledge.

It may have been, I grew up elsewhere and wasn’t in the U.K.during that time, it’s a period of slight interest now as it sounds like a bad idea, but we had our own things going on.

napody · 15/11/2022 11:00

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 14/11/2022 12:27

They need well regulated and well run professional landlords, not any Tom, Dick, or Harry who can scrape together the deposit for a BTL mortgage.

At a minimum all rental properties should either be mortgage free or financed with long-term (10 years+) fixed rate mortgages.

A landlord's poor planning and financial decisions should not be the problem of a tenant and the sooner that type of landlord is weeded out the better.

This.

walkinginsunshinekat · 15/11/2022 11:35

FarFromTheStart · 15/11/2022 10:41

Was there a claim to have arrived in a dinghy, or recently?

Read the last few posts on the thread?

I said many migrants crossing the ch are fooled by SM, which backed by research and she replied:

"That’s right dear, all of us migrants are just fools who moved here through ignorance"

Seems pretty clear cut to me but i do disagree with the ignorant and fools bit, maybe desperate and driven by poverty?

Either that or she is Suella Braverman?

walkinginsunshinekat · 15/11/2022 11:36

MarshaBradyo · 15/11/2022 10:42

I thought that was common knowledge.

It may have been, I grew up elsewhere and wasn’t in the U.K.during that time, it’s a period of slight interest now as it sounds like a bad idea, but we had our own things going on.

Ah yes forgot, sorry.

America12 · 15/11/2022 11:50

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RedHelenB · 15/11/2022 11:54

BlondeWaves · 14/11/2022 12:48

I'm sorry everyone I need to leave this thread for a bit. It's not just the rent that I'm finding overwhelming today. I've already had to cancel my son's club that he loved. Cut back on everything. Looking at selling my car. Sold my jewellery. Etc. I just can't afford to live like this anymore and it's all getting too much. I work full time, get no CMS from child's father. Get universal credit but it doesn't cover everything with childcare fees and rent so high. I can't get a council house as I'm not priority. I just give up. I'm going to switch off for a bit. Thanks everyone for your advice. I'm going to see what I can do.

Hope things are looking a bit brighter this morning. Keep plodding on, things might change and something more affordable may turn up.

WombatChocolate · 15/11/2022 17:06

I agree the rental sector needs to work better. Government need to take responsibility for this.

The trouble is, the government is nowhere near to the idea that more social housing should be provided by government. Until they are willing to do this and supply it (not looking ever likely to be honest) then there will be reliance on the private rental sector.

I agree that it’s not right that tenants suffer through poor LL decision making or financial planning. Quite how that is managed though is difficult and vitally the impact in supply of rentals needs to be considered. Saying all rentals should be mortgage free or have 10 year fixed mortgage rates sounds good, but if you removed all the LLs without those conditions, the supply overall would be drastically reduced. It would be tenants who would lose most from that and lack of supply drives prices up. Of course if you want rent controls preventing that happening, even more LLs will leave the sector. You’ll end up with controlled rent but vastly insufficient supply. And the reality is that LLs do need to be able to sell up and access their money if they need to. Yes, it’s right that there are laws in place which specify notice periods and mean LLs cannot give notice before a certain proportion of a tenancy has passed, but guaranteeing a tenant can remain indefinitely or for substantially longer periods, will again mean rental properties are something don’t want to invest in, as no-one can ever say they might not need to access their money. Currently, I’d say it still takes at least a year thinking ahead for a LL to sell up. They might need to wait several months to give the legal notice, then wait for the notice to expire and the tenant to move out - which doesn’t always happen at that point and tenants legally have the right to remain and go through formal eviction procedures which can take many more months. So a LL already can’t just sell-up when they feel like it. That’s right - tenants need protections. However, to expend significantly further makes the market even less attractive.

I agree bad LLs need to be weeded out. There are LLs who dint maintain properties or stick to the law. But there are lots who don’t do these things but do other things which seem to incur the wrath of some renters. Increases in rent (reasonable amounts at the appropriate time such as a year after a contract is signed) or giving notice in accordance with the law, are things which are done legally and without which, LLs cannot continue. If the good LLs are driven out of the market because they have mortgages or they follow the law and decent AST terms about rent rises or giving notice (and by far most tenants move in because they choose to, not because they are given nitice) then exactly where will people live.

It would work if the government were working on an alternative supply of housing to replace the private rented sector…..but they are not. So yes, bad, rogue LLs who act illegally and don’t maintain properties and exploit the vulnerable should be weeded out by regulation that is actively enforced….but it is short-sighted to think all those with mortgages or without specific types if mortgage should be forced out too. Exactly where are tenants going to live if that happens?

THR1 · 15/11/2022 17:37

So sorry to hear about your plight. If you have the time, check out your tenancy rights etc before you move ... Good luck!

NoodlesDoodles05 · 15/11/2022 17:46

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but there’s help you can get if you can’t afford the rest of your rent.

I can’t remember the name, but speak to your council and mention “help with rent when can’t afford top up” I know it begins with “D” x

Snoozer11 · 15/11/2022 17:49

Haventhadaneggsinceeaster · 14/11/2022 11:24

Why is everyone saying the landlord is horrible? How do you know how much their mortgage has gone up by? Ours has just increased by £500 a month so upping a rent by £150 a month would be very reasonable

The landlord's mortgage is not the OP's concern.

Snoozer11 · 15/11/2022 17:51

ToInfinityAgain · 14/11/2022 11:36

That’s not really fair. If his costs have gone up and it’s a monthly tenancy then it’s pretty normal for him to increase his rent in line with that.

As I wrote above, I’m going to start losing £30,000 per year if I don’t increase my tenants’ rent soon. Are you suggesting that I should just accept this?

Yeah, you accept it. You took a risk when you invested in property. Why the fuck do you think other people are responsible for YOUR finances?

ganachee · 15/11/2022 17:53

I am very sorry to hear what is happening to you.

I am noticing that landlords are putting their rent up by 10% or more (average rental increase in London 16%) but the Bank of England Rate increase in last 12 months - 2.9% and the average 90% LTV mortgage rate increase last 12 month - 4.05%. This smacks to me of many landlords must be making extra by such increases which is greedy.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 15/11/2022 17:54

walkinginsunshinekat · 15/11/2022 10:37

You could say selling off council was a mistake- I don’t really get the policy sounds mad but maybe new properties were meant to be built with the money raised

No the policy was that Councils were strictly forbidden to build replacement council housing with the money raised, i thought that was common knowledge.

Now though creating many more new houses is hard, taxpayers are already feeling it before subsiding more builds

Tax payers paid out 16bn 21/22, money that goes into the pockets of LLs with no returns, we ve spent approx 20 billion per year since 2020.

How many houses would that have built? and how much would that now be worth to councils? plus the benefits in poorer people having more money to spend and be able to live/work in more expensive areas.

According to a quick search the average cost for a developer to build an average new build house is £170k, so we could have built 117,000 new homes each year for the money we pay to landlords.

FarFromTheStart · 15/11/2022 17:55

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 15/11/2022 17:54

According to a quick search the average cost for a developer to build an average new build house is £170k, so we could have built 117,000 new homes each year for the money we pay to landlords.

And where would all of the evicted tenants from the millions of private rentals live for the years between their eviction and their homes being built?

Justthisonce12 · 15/11/2022 17:58

Well there was the plan that instead of paying out housing benefit to landlords we would literally pay the benefits equivalent to people to help them to purchase their own home so they could have 100% mortgage and then whatever they are receiving in housing benefits £700, £800 a month would be paid off the mortgage so that there’s an end in sight for the taxpayer.

we could even stipulate that when the homeowner pass is on instead of being able to leave it to their relative they must leave it back to the state to rinse and repeat.

FarFromTheStart · 15/11/2022 18:02

Justthisonce12 · 15/11/2022 17:58

Well there was the plan that instead of paying out housing benefit to landlords we would literally pay the benefits equivalent to people to help them to purchase their own home so they could have 100% mortgage and then whatever they are receiving in housing benefits £700, £800 a month would be paid off the mortgage so that there’s an end in sight for the taxpayer.

we could even stipulate that when the homeowner pass is on instead of being able to leave it to their relative they must leave it back to the state to rinse and repeat.

That would be a terrible idea. Unless we committed to paying someone benefits for twenty-five years a huge number would just be repossessed.

THR1 · 15/11/2022 18:02

ganachee · 15/11/2022 17:53

I am very sorry to hear what is happening to you.

I am noticing that landlords are putting their rent up by 10% or more (average rental increase in London 16%) but the Bank of England Rate increase in last 12 months - 2.9% and the average 90% LTV mortgage rate increase last 12 month - 4.05%. This smacks to me of many landlords must be making extra by such increases which is greedy.

Totally agree: greed underlies most of this. Buy-to-let is a business risk on behalf of the landlord. If they can't afford to keep a second home without passing on extortionate costs to someone in a temporary home that isn't even theirs, they should cash it in and put their money somewhere else. At the end of the day, a second mortgage is a luxury and should be remembered as such.

walkinginsunshinekat · 15/11/2022 18:05

FarFromTheStart · 15/11/2022 17:55

And where would all of the evicted tenants from the millions of private rentals live for the years between their eviction and their homes being built?

Why would that happen? changing to a Council housing model wouldn't happen over night, the two would have to co exist.

This would also free up properties for genuine FTB's too, as the poorest tenants moved out into social housing

Justthisonce12 · 15/11/2022 18:08

FarFromTheStart · 15/11/2022 18:02

That would be a terrible idea. Unless we committed to paying someone benefits for twenty-five years a huge number would just be repossessed.

Currently we pay benefits to people from 18 years old right through to the day they drop dead this could be 55 years and not only that the amount of housing benefit we are going to pay is going to be subject to inflation at least if it’s a mortgage it’s a locked in fixed figure, with an end date. People aren’t going to be repossessed any more than they’re going to be kicked out of a rental property for non payment they have to live somewhere and with some skin in the game you would actually expect them to be more responsible and for at least some of the 55 year period work. As things stand at the moment a very serious calculation as to whether or not a person can survive comes into play before they will give up their position on benefits.