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Rent increase - fuck fuckity fuck!!!

575 replies

BlondeWaves · 14/11/2022 11:14

Moved into my house 2.5 months ago and now having to move as had a letter from the landlord to say rent is going up by 150 a month. I KNOW I am being unreasonable but I am sat here sobbing because I've just settled here with my young child and the thought of having to go through all that upheaval again is so stressful. I can't afford the extra 150, I'm already stretched with the way everything has increased. This could happen again and again and I just hate our government and the way things are at the moment. I have no resentment towards my landlord as I know his mortgage has realistically gone up by more than 150 a month, but fuck, I'm so stressed. Don't even know what I want from this thread, maybe a handhold, maybe to be told I need to suck it up (weirdly I respond well to tough love) but I need something. Anyone there? 😭

OP posts:
Buteverythingsfine · 14/11/2022 15:16

I hope in between the arguing about landlords, OP, you are getting some solid legally relevant advice from Shelter or the FB tenants forum mentioned earlier as there may be many things your landlord is contravening, there was an excellent post by a letting agent up the thread.

I am a landlord but haven't put my prices up, am wondering whether to do so, doing so after two months is definitely immoral and probably illegal, seek advice.

Booklover3 · 14/11/2022 15:17

You need to talk to shelter OP. It might be that if you refuse to leave and are evicted that the council then have to try and house you. Whereas if you give up the tenancy they might say you’ve made yourself homeless and refuse to help.

Sounds like a really crap situation and I feel for you 💐

LyndaLovelace · 14/11/2022 15:21

I thought that monthly rentals only happened after the minimum 6-month shorthold tenancy?

You've fallen right into this and maybe legally he's not allowed to do monthly rentals.

Get some legal advice.

Mythologies · 14/11/2022 15:22

So - those shouting that landlords should be able to charge what they like and evict at will.
where do you think those of us who already pay substantially more than half our incomes working over 40 hours a week and cannot afford any more should live exactly?

LyndaLovelace · 14/11/2022 15:23

Part of the issue is bloody men , who father kids, and then don't pay for them!

Makes me so angry.

LyndaLovelace · 14/11/2022 15:24

Mythologies · 14/11/2022 15:22

So - those shouting that landlords should be able to charge what they like and evict at will.
where do you think those of us who already pay substantially more than half our incomes working over 40 hours a week and cannot afford any more should live exactly?

Save a deposit and get a mortgage?

ToInfinityAgain · 14/11/2022 15:24

Mythologies · 14/11/2022 15:22

So - those shouting that landlords should be able to charge what they like and evict at will.
where do you think those of us who already pay substantially more than half our incomes working over 40 hours a week and cannot afford any more should live exactly?

No-one’s suggesting that though.

LyndaLovelace · 14/11/2022 15:27

So - those shouting that landlords should be able to charge what they like and evict at will.

Landlords can't do this. No one can be evicted 'at will'

If you rent, you need to acquaint yourself with your rights. It can now take 2 years to get a tenant out because of the backlog of court cases, and the delays in processing evictions.

The law is being tightened in tenant's favour which will only result in fewer rentals as landlords won't want to take the risk of being lumbered with non-paying tenants.

shutthe · 14/11/2022 15:27

SueVineer · 14/11/2022 14:16

Council housing does not and has never cost the government little to nothing! Where did you get that nutty idea from?

Government housing is very expensive to the taxpayer. Not to say it’s not a good thing but no point not being honest. If we want to build social housing, that will cost a lot and we need to work out how to pay for it.

In 1979 42% of the population lived in Council property, The Tories sold them off, created a much bigger private property market , so that in 2016 that 42% figure was reduced to 8% = net result housing crisis.

Thatcher's genius was to introduce a populist housing policy that uplifted millions into state subsidised property ownership with huge reductions to purchase and at the same time gave councils short term cash from housing stock sales, the long term effect was the nightmare we have today like OP, someone who can afford £850 a month and can't find anywhere to rent in a runaway private rental market, with no hope of buying a home.

Like a lot of Tory fuck ups, it will cost billions to fix.

tattygrl · 14/11/2022 15:29

Make sure you're currently receiving any and all benefits you're entitled to. There are online services that can help with this; google "benefits calculator". I really feel for you, what a horrible curveball to have thrown at you.

LyndaLovelace · 14/11/2022 15:31

@shutthe the issue is not that the OP can't afford rent, or the fall in council houses, it's that the boy's father is nowhere to be seen. The CPS needs to be scrapped and started again. There should be TWO people supporting the child.

Also, if the OP had a deposit, she could afford a home for £850 a month on a mortgage.

Most people have the aspiration to own a home. The issue is that not enough houses have been built, not that council houses were bought by the tenants.

ShamedBySiri · 14/11/2022 15:37

Did OP clarify the situation regarding her deposit?
It sounds to me as if the LL is making the rules up as he goes along so I would lay a sizeable bet he won't have protected the deposit correctly.
That is one area where you will have the upper hand OP, the penalties are pretty stiff for LL who disregard the rules.

Good luck OP - sit tight for now, there is lots of good advice here and you may be able to negotiate.

Nikii83 · 14/11/2022 15:37

AutumnCrow · 14/11/2022 13:49

That's really useful info, for lots of people on MN.

Thank you not many people know about it but every council have it and with local housing allowance rates pretty much frozen for years, more and more people are putting in claims.

to be eligible you must be In Receipt of housing benefit or housing costs for the period you wish to claim. Can also help with rent arrears to

vera99 · 14/11/2022 15:37

shutthe · 14/11/2022 15:27

In 1979 42% of the population lived in Council property, The Tories sold them off, created a much bigger private property market , so that in 2016 that 42% figure was reduced to 8% = net result housing crisis.

Thatcher's genius was to introduce a populist housing policy that uplifted millions into state subsidised property ownership with huge reductions to purchase and at the same time gave councils short term cash from housing stock sales, the long term effect was the nightmare we have today like OP, someone who can afford £850 a month and can't find anywhere to rent in a runaway private rental market, with no hope of buying a home.

Like a lot of Tory fuck ups, it will cost billions to fix.

Spot on - reminded me to polish my hatred for her forged as an angry teenager. That said at least she was competent unlike the present shower of shiite.

YouHaveAnArse · 14/11/2022 15:39

No wonder the OP pissed off. They didn't ask for an argument about someone else's expensive rental asset becoming more expensive, nor to be told that they should simply get a mortgage. What a waste of everyone's time.

Twawmyarse · 14/11/2022 15:39

Not sure I agree with rents going up due to mortgages increasing. It is landlords that take on the risk, not the tenants and this should already be priced in. They should be able to afford being a landlord.

Landlords should just pull money out of their arses to pay rising interest rates? Where should they get this money from? Do they have a magic money tree?

You do know most LL’s are just normal folk with one or two properties they rent out as a pension?

Do you think supermarkets should start giving half price food to everyone to make up for the rising cost of living? After all food is an essential too and why should supermarkets get away with putting up their costs - why should they get to make massive profits? You do know LL’s are running a business too, they’re not just taking on the risks of being in the rental business for shits n giggles?

🙄

YouHaveAnArse · 14/11/2022 15:39

Also, people calling Nicola Sturgeon 'wee nippy' is really fucking weird.

BellePeppa · 14/11/2022 15:41

Rafferty10 · 14/11/2022 13:51

Upthebracket22 · Today 13:48

“Private landlords are the scourge of the earth, they’ve contributed hugely in people feeling insecure in their homes”

yes @BellePeppa exactly!!

Ok Up lets ban all private LL today we all have to sell up, within say a year, how do you see that working out two or three or 10 years down the line?

I would be intrigued to find out...

Sell to the council?

ToInfinityAgain · 14/11/2022 15:42

shutthe · 14/11/2022 15:27

In 1979 42% of the population lived in Council property, The Tories sold them off, created a much bigger private property market , so that in 2016 that 42% figure was reduced to 8% = net result housing crisis.

Thatcher's genius was to introduce a populist housing policy that uplifted millions into state subsidised property ownership with huge reductions to purchase and at the same time gave councils short term cash from housing stock sales, the long term effect was the nightmare we have today like OP, someone who can afford £850 a month and can't find anywhere to rent in a runaway private rental market, with no hope of buying a home.

Like a lot of Tory fuck ups, it will cost billions to fix.

How did it create a housing crisis? There were no fewer homes after the change, and in fact back then there were quite a lot of very inexpensive houses available for the wage of a normal family with only one person working.

The massive increases in prices relative to wages happened under New Labour much later.

These increases were driven by population increases (mainly via immigrants, like me), two working parents becoming the norm, and by the move to a low-rate environment.

Justthisonce12 · 14/11/2022 15:44

BellePeppa · 14/11/2022 15:41

Sell to the council?

PMSL The council no doubt sold the properties of the landlord in the first place that’s how fucked up this is.

LocalHobo · 14/11/2022 15:47

You do need to try to get CMS from your child's father. Good luck.

THIS! Why can a child be abandoned so easily? If these errant men would be made to take responsibility the sad situation would be resolved.

BungleandGeorge · 14/11/2022 15:48

So sorry that you’re in this situation. Do you think the landlord would agree to a house share? Not ideal but you could move into your sons room

BellePeppa · 14/11/2022 15:50

Justthisonce12 · 14/11/2022 15:44

PMSL The council no doubt sold the properties of the landlord in the first place that’s how fucked up this is.

Are all landlords just renting out ex council houses then?

Mummyoflittledragon · 14/11/2022 15:52

Haventhadaneggsinceeaster · 14/11/2022 13:13

I really don't think we can accuse anyone of disgusting greed without knowing their full circumstances. They may be renting elsewhere and renting their only property out which happens much more than people realise and for various reasons. If mortgage providers can put mortgages up by 50% why should the landlord lose money renting to someone else. It may be that the landlords mortgage has increased by much more the £150 and they have passed on the smallest amount they can afford to. The other option they could have is to make the tenant homeless then increase the rent even more. Life is complex for lots of people and it is easy to forget this.

I am a landlord and the personal circumstances of the owner is irrelevant. People like this ll give decent lls a bad name If their mortgage has increased by £150 a month, they should have enough cash flow to pay the increase until the tenancy has reached at least 12 months. Anything other than this is poor planning. You need deep pockets to be a decent ll.

As for the rental increase amount, no way would I have put the rent up by that amount after 12 months. It is terribly unfair and tbh I also look at the circumstances of my individual tenants. The guy, who wanted to stay on once he split from his partner but could only just afford the payments? He’s now paying £300 below market rent.

Justkidding55 · 14/11/2022 15:54

Greedy CF. Whether his mortgage has gone up or not he’s still making plenty of profit. Say you’ll move out he might change his mind. And I hope he gets a tennant who trashed his place next time.

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